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Mayfield Mall developer could be bowing out  

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Toll Brothers, the high-flying nationally ranked home builder that was retained by Hewlett-Packard to develop a huge housing project on its 27-acre Mayfield Mall site, appears to be on shaky ground in its involvement with the project, saying it cannot build the required tunnel to the train station or pay the land price it had negotiated with HP.

Toll Brothers spokesperson Jo Price said the $6 million tunnel -- which would connect the San Antonio station to the project at 100 Mayfield Ave. by going under Central Expressway -- was no longer feasible, a sentiment that could kill the project altogether.

Three members of the City Council, Jac Siegel, Margaret Abe-Koga and Laura Macias, told the Voice on Tuesday that they would vote against Mayfield unless they were assured the tunnel will be built. It only takes three votes from the seven-member council to kill the project because Council member Ronit Bryant must recuse herself due to her husband's employment with HP.

Toll Brothers expects to have its last City Council hearing on the 495-unit project Dec. 9. So far only the 42 single-family homes around the perimeter have been approved; 408 more homes await the green light in Mountain View, while Palo Alto is expected to approve 45 additional homes Dec. 8.

Apparently due to financial pressure, Toll Brothers has recently elected not to exercise its final option to buy the property for the price it negotiated with HP. Instead, the company wants to reassess the property's value next year, a move that would appear prudent to stockholders, Price said.

Reflecting the housing industry's decline due to lower home values, the financial crisis and a lack of credit in the economy, Toll Brothers' stock price finished at $20 a share Monday. It peaked at $57 a share in 2005.

"Hewlett-Packard is not going to get what Toll was willing to pay for that site five years ago," Price said.

Although Toll Brothers has not placed a total value on the project, using a conservative estimate of $700,000 average retail price per unit, the Mountain View portion alone could bring in $350 million or more before expenses. The last negotiated price of the land remains undisclosed, but appraisers had estimated several years ago that the site was worth $80 million.

Price said Toll Brothers has spent five years and millions of its own dollars to plan the project, often in the face of major neighborhood opposition and, after the 2006 election, a recalcitrant City Council. The new (and current) City Council voted to decrease the size of the Mountain View portion of the project from 578 units -- the number originally called for in the 2005 gatekeeper request -- to 450 units today. The unusually long planning and approval process involved about 30 meetings.

"Toll decided not to go with the project at the negotiated price," said Council member Jac Siegel. "Hewlett-Packard said 'We'd like to hire you to go ahead and get the entitlements. We want to get the OK to get the units' -- which makes the land more valuable for HP. Toll may or may not do the project."

Price denied that Toll was simply going through the motions in getting entitlements for Hewlett-Packard.

"We've been getting calls [from Monta Loma residents] asking, 'When is it going up for auction?'" Price said. "We want to see this through the long term. We're still building on the Peninsula while others have closed up shop. That says a lot."

Tunnel a stumbling block

"The tunnel is just not going to work at the moment," Price said, citing a feasibility report commissioned by the city which she says was based on incorrect information about the location of the existing tunnel under the tracks.

"The city paid $150,000 for that report and it's fundamentally flawed," she said. "That's money down the drain."

Council members said the city stands by the report, and many members had strongly advocated for the tunnel earlier this year as a requirement, saying the project would not be transit-oriented "smart growth" without it.

"A tunnel that connects residents to transit is a smart growth principle that must not be waived because of developer whim," said Council member Laura Macias in an e-mail.

The impression many City Council members have is that Toll Brothers is no longer the developer -- and the project will be up for grabs next year.

"If Toll can't do it, Toll can't do it," Abe-Koga said. "I'm not sure HP has decided on Toll as the developer."

City staff members were told several weeks ago that HP would take on a larger role in the project, said city planning manager Aarti Shrivastava.

Still, Price said, "Our goal is still to purchase the property. Hewlett-Packard is hoping we will. We just need to be prudent in these unchartered times. Plenty of projects up and down the Peninsula and the Bay Area have been killed. And that's because these deals are just not penciling out. Sales are slowing down to even a standstill -- that's what hurts a lot of builders."

Despite the ongoing credit crunch, Shrivastava said Friday that Mountain View's planning department is still seeing a lot of activity.

"People are still pulling permits and planning applications," Shrivastava said. "Small developments have gone down a bit -- people might be proceeding a little cautiously."

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Comments

Posted by GSB, a resident of the Castro City neighborhood, on Oct 16, 2008 at 12:08 pm

Thank goodness! There were too many flaws and "what ifs" left unanswered with this project. This would be a good opportunity to start over and put more of the neighborhood's input into consideration this time around.


Posted by eric, a resident of another community, on Oct 16, 2008 at 12:17 pm

The council clearly has a deeply flawed understanding of how residential development works. I would bet good money that the end result will be a project that the nieghborhood hates even more


Posted by do not back down hp, a resident of the Blossom Valley neighborhood, on Oct 16, 2008 at 4:01 pm

If I was HP I would not let them out of the deal at the cost of what it was orginally purchased for. Sell it to someone else a better builder that actually stands behind their product. Toll will screw you out of a dollar for them to make 100.00. The property value by the time they are going to build will be back up. So think smart and do not follow tolls advise. Stick to your guns or sell it to someone else.


Posted by Smart Growther, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Oct 18, 2008 at 8:06 pm

Few people understand how a development proposal works. In most cases the developer does not purchase the property until the entitlements are approved. TB made payments to HP to keep the option to purchase the property open for a fixed time period. They decided to let the option expire and not renew it. HP cannot force TB to buy the property. At this point the project is essentially dead because HP is not a housing developer and the council will not let amateurs process a proposal.


Posted by eric, a resident of another community, on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:33 pm

Smart Growther, you need to re-read the article. HP is considering keeping TB on as essentially an entitlement consultant to finish that process--and if not TB, they could and would hire a different consultant to handle that, as is commonly done.

I still think that the locals are going to wish the city hadnt screwed up the deal with Toll when all is said and done.


Posted by Solomon, a resident of the Monta Loma neighborhood, on Oct 19, 2008 at 2:29 pm

There is existing sidewalk on Central Expressway, and that sidewalk is already connecting the Mayfield proejct to the San Antonio Caltrain station. It's hard to find such a good place so close to the train station. I don't understand why council members object the project just because of the tunnel.


Posted by Karen, a resident of the Shoreline West neighborhood, on Oct 20, 2008 at 9:47 am

What a bunch of hypoctrites on the Council! How can you proclaim to support SMART GROWTH when you knocked 100 units off the project when it was approved. Then, you say you won't support it unless there is a tunnel!?!? How short sighted and ridiculous.

I love how the Council will bend over backwards for office tenants but won't support the units to house those workers. There is NOTHING smart growth or environmental about that.


Posted by Smart Growther, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Oct 21, 2008 at 2:54 pm

Eric, I don't disagree with your observation. Was merely responding to the comment that HP can force TB to pay the original price. With a declining market, some developers will stop renewing their options. They can always come back and try to make a new deal. TB is acting as a consultant but not sure they want anything more with this project. Sometimes you gotta know when to fold'em and move on.

Unfortunately, some council members use the strategy to not vote against a project but keep piling on conditions. Some supported the tunnel because they wanted to kill the deal. As to smart growth, note the ones endorsed by the environmental groups and their slow growth votes.


Posted by Greedy Greedy Greedy, a resident of another community, on Oct 28, 2008 at 7:12 pm

Personally, I think HP would be better off holding on to the property. If the MV city council hadn't played hardball with Stanford several years ago (the university wanted to purchase the Mayfield site as an adjunct to their medical school) we wouldn't be having this conversation because Stanford would be the owner and that would be that.

In this current economic / financial climate, no developer in it's right mind (and the Toll Brothers evidentally have come to their senses) would engage in such a costly project.

The entire facility has been sitting there empty (but technically called "inactive site" by HP) since 2003. From time to time, HP has allowed various law enforcement agencies on the campus to utilize the place for police / SWAT training exercises. Hell, even the Department of Homeland Security folks have used the site for training purposes on occasion over the last 4 years as well.

Personally, I don't know why everyone is in such a hurry to tear that place down and build more cookie-cutter housing (most of which, when they are finally built, will be unoccupied because those units will be too expensive for most people to afford).


Posted by MJ, a resident of the Monta Loma neighborhood, on Oct 29, 2008 at 5:04 pm

To be fair, not all council members are hippocrates, just the three (Jac Siegel, Margaret Abe-Koga and Laura Macias) that oppose the Mayfield project because of they think it needs a tunnel . How do you think the residents of Monta Loma get to the train station? We use the crosswalk. It's pretty simple really. It's funny because these are the same council members that constantly preach about "walkability" and "smart growth". By any reasonable definition, this project meets those concerns. My goodness, it's a stone's through from the Caltrain station.

Luara Macias says on her website that "I first proposed the rewrite of the San Antonio Center plan to design a 'village' instead of plopping down an industrial home-improvement store.' Okay, what better way to attract a developer for the "village" then approve Mayfield.

This is simply inexperience on their part (the three). Unfortunately it's scaring away developers, which means good-bye BMR's, market rate housing, retail, mixed-use, tax revenues, etc. I don't want the City Council to roll-over on every issue, but I do expect them to be consistent for all of our sake. Given the current market conditions, a little cooperation and compromise would be prudent. I don't know this for a fact, but I don't think developers grow their money on a tree. They probably have to answer to investors of one sort or another.


Posted by Ned, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Oct 29, 2008 at 7:58 pm

Google should sop it up and then we'd all be happy.


Posted by jake, a resident of the Monta Loma neighborhood, on Nov 12, 2008 at 6:19 pm

Why not use the "flashing lights" on Central Expressway in addition to the stoplights that are already there, to make it safer for pedestrians to cross on the crosswalk? I don't like the idea of a long underground tunnel as it invites graffiti and crime. I'm sure someone can come up with a safer and cheaper crossing from the Mayfield condos to the train station than a $6million underground tunnel. A valuable improvement would be a widening of the sidewalk on the Caltran side of Central Expressway. This would allow easier access for bicycles, and also make it easier to maneuver the bikes down the ramp to the underpass.

My other concern is the new traffic that will be overflowing onto our neighborhood streets. With a probability of over 1200 additional cars being added to our neighborhood, this would result in more pollution

with congested traffic and noise. I believe the current plans will not block off any our streets to the condo traffic.

And...what about the beautiful trees that currently exist on the HP property? Is there any plan to try to save them and transplant them in new locations around the condo complex? Or is not cost effective?


Posted by Matthew Etchells, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Aug 14, 2011 at 11:38 pm

why not just make it into a mall again so we can go back to being able to stay in our city and keep commerce in mountain view?

you know not everybody want to have more upscale un-affordable apartments and condominiums built, it may be a shock to be told this but to this day there are people that long to have mountain view return to its pre 1980's landscape.

and honestly, this is land i hope to see google not be allowed to purchase...they have taken up too much real estate for there corporation.


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