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Mountain View Voice

Opinion - March 7, 2008

Why we protest at recruitment centers

by Gail Sredanovic

The Raging Grannies have asked me to write a few words to clarify our position about the military and military recruitment. We have made several quite peaceful visits to date to recruiting offices and have spoken with recruiters about their work and studied the contract they use. We have among our Granny members both veterans and mothers of service people and we often work closely with Veterans for Peace.

We are keenly aware of the many ways this administration abuses the military. These include repeated deployments, stop-loss extensions of tours of duty, poor equipment and delay and denial of both benefits and health care. We were speaking and singing out about these issues long before the Walter Reed scandal broke and we lobby our legislators on behalf of veterans as well.

At the same time we have well founded and well documented concerns about the way the recruiters approach adolescents (whose judgment is less than adult), the promises they make and the deceptive way the enlistment contract is formatted. In our contacts with minority parents they tell us of harassment by recruiters and are hungry for information about how to finance college or find a career path other than through the military.

We go to recruiting centers less as protesters and more as educators and consumer advocates. We do, however, hope to contribute to slowing down the recruitment of young people as a means to end the current disastrous wars. We want to see our sons and daughters brought home and taken care of when they get here. We do have strong reservations about the uses to which the military has historically been put in U.S. history. An excellent and very readable resource on this topic is the book "Addicted to War" by Joel Andreas.

We notice that the opponents who have on one occasion shown up to shout insults at us seem disturbed by any criticism, however reasonable, of U.S. policies. They seem to be motivated by fear and anger and to be in deep denial about the real motives behind the Middle East wars. Conversations indicate an inability to contemplate combating terrorism by any means other than war, and acceptance of a pretty wide range of administration lies. We are saddened by this, but remind ourselves that the American people know better.

In fact, the Military Times reported in December of 2006 that only 41 percent of the military polled said that we should have gone to war in Iraq in the first place.

Gail Sredanovic is a member of the Raging Grannies. She lives in Menlo Park.

Comments

Posted by Dale, a resident of another community
on Mar 8, 2008 at 10:52 am

I noticed this comment: "We have among our Granny members both veterans and mothers of service people"

So if one of YOUR kids ends up assigned to recruiting, you'll be sure to protest against them as well. Right?

Protesting against recruiters IS protesting against the military. Most recruiters are themselves, war veterans.

I've also read mulitple alligations of deception but absolutely no specifics.

"We go to recruiting centers less as protesters and more as educators and consumer advocates."

Oh so that explains why the grannies were YELLING at parents of serving Soldiers, Airman, etc.

BTW, stop calling people who speak out against the Grannies "war supporters". We don't have to support the war to find your condescending portrayal of those us who chose to serve insulting.

Semper Fidelis


Posted by 4l4n, a resident of Monta Loma
on Mar 11, 2008 at 1:30 pm

I didn't realize that we have raging grannies in mountain view. That is awesome!!! I hope they succeed in cutting recruitment. We don't want these government paid liars in our community, preying on our young and vulnerable children as soon as they begin approach the age of 18.


Posted by Dale, a resident of another community
on Mar 11, 2008 at 8:29 pm

Hey 4l4n,

Let's see, you simultaneously broad brush our troops as "government paid liars" and characterize them as "vulnerable children".

I don't suppose you actually have something intelligent to add? I didn't think so.


Posted by Go Grannies!, a resident of another community
on Mar 12, 2008 at 9:28 am

Dale,
414 stated that the recruiters are "government paid liars", not the troops. They do lie and they break their promises as soon as they have another vulnerable young adult signed up, and after that the leaders in the armed forces continue to lie and break promises to the troops.


Posted by Dale, a resident of another community
on Mar 12, 2008 at 9:52 am

"Go Grannies",

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Recruiters ARE the troops. Saying "they lie" in reference to recruiters is like saying "they have sex with students" in reference to teachers.

So tell me. When one of those "vulnerable young adults" who signed up later get assigned to recruiter duty... You suddenly feel the right to question their integrity can call them liars?

You fail logic.


Posted by 4l4n, a resident of Monta Loma
on Mar 12, 2008 at 10:25 am

> Recruiters ARE the troops.

Yes, the worst kind of troops, troops that lie to try to trick other people into becoming troops.

> Saying "they lie" in reference to recruiters is like saying "they have sex with students" in reference to teachers.

A very small percentage of teachers has sex with students, but a very large percentage of recruiters lie to potential recruits.

> When one of those "vulnerable young adults" who signed up later get assigned to recruiter duty... You suddenly feel the right to question their integrity can call them liars?

Absolutely. If they had integrity they wouldn't be working for the military, irresponsibly recruiting often poor and vulnerable young americans to go off and kill people for no good reason. Its not a good lesson for our young adults, they often come back with PTSD from all the traumatic experiences.


Posted by Dale, a resident of another community
on Mar 12, 2008 at 1:48 pm

"A very small percentage of teachers has sex with students, but a very large percentage of recruiters lie to potential recruits."

Really. What is the percent and what is your source? I'm going to use my psychic powers to determine you don't have one.

"Absolutely. If they had integrity they wouldn't be working for the military"

So basically you just proved this has nothing to do with our troops who get assigned to recruiter duty. You're just anti-military.

"Its not a good lesson for our young adults, they often come back with PTSD from all the traumatic experiences."

You question their integrity and then pretend to care about them. That's rich.


Posted by 4l4n, a resident of Monta Loma
on Mar 12, 2008 at 2:26 pm

Its true that the recruiters have little integrity, but no one deserves a lifetime of PTSD.


Posted by Dale, a resident of another community
on Mar 12, 2008 at 4:30 pm

Troll much?


Posted by 4l4n, a resident of Monta Loma
on Mar 12, 2008 at 4:34 pm

Never.


Posted by Disgusted, a resident of Old Mountain View
on Mar 14, 2008 at 1:18 am

The Raging Grannies are all idiotic narcissistic leftovers from the Vietnam era. They are the liars and they never gave a damn about our troops. Their behavior only brings shame to themselves.


Posted by 4l4n, a resident of Monta Loma
on Mar 14, 2008 at 12:11 pm

The Raging Grannies are wonderful. It is the US Government who doesn't give a damn about our troops.


Posted by Grannies Rock, a resident of another community
on Jun 1, 2008 at 3:01 pm

I don't think the above Grannies comments are anti-military. I think they're against killing people for no good reason. Few were anti-military in the 1940s. That's because we struck back against identifiable enemies from specific nations. Today the issues are different. Allegedly, we're striking back against 9/11. But we have no evidence proving Iraq caused 9/11. We do have evidence that terrorism on U.S. soil was countenanced by the FBI in Washington, DC before 9/11 (they were told the suspects who later piloted the planes were being trained, and did nothing about it - so, "We have met the enemy and he is us," as cartoonist Walt Kelly once said). We found no evidence to prove, as Bush claimed, that Iraq had WMDs. Scapegoat Osama Bin Laden, to my knowledge, cannot be hunted down in Iraq, as he's never been there. So what we have done did not recompense 9/11. What we have done is throw a nation into chaos it will take years for it to recover from and, despite what Iraqi and U.S. officials claim, Iraq should be helping itself out of its civil war, not receiving help from an impoverished and indebted U.S. The war we wage now is a bit like going to Iraq in 1942 saying Hitler was there. I'm not anti-military if the issues are clear. I'm against war based on lies.