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City schedules meeting on high speed rail

Original post made on Apr 28, 2010

In the city's most ambitious effort to date to educate the public about high speed rail, an informational meeting will be held on the evening of Monday, May 3 at the Senior Center.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:05 PM

Comments (19)

Posted by Haha, a resident of Castro City
on Apr 28, 2010 at 4:21 pm

We need to come to these meetings and express our opinions. Nobody really knows why the average citizen would need a train ride to LA. Lets face it, we do not all have family in LA, so my best bet for all of you wishing to go green is for you guys to stick to the greyhound.


Posted by Your Pal, a resident of Blossom Valley
on Apr 28, 2010 at 4:24 pm

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Posted by DCS, a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 28, 2010 at 6:09 pm

My opinion:

Shutdown caltrain and run the high speed rail only along the corridor. We need to progress beyond what Caltrain can provide, it is old, antiquated, and cannot be salvaged at this point. We have an opportunity to build a train system that works, let's do it!


Posted by Mike Laursen, a resident of Monta Loma
on Apr 29, 2010 at 1:15 pm

DCS, it is explicitly forbidden in the language of Proposition 1A for the high-speed rail project to service any route that does not at least run from Transbay Terminal in San Francisco to Anaheim, routed through Union Station in Los Angeles.


Posted by , a resident of Sylvan Park
on Apr 29, 2010 at 8:47 pm

Is this going to be another of those meetings where the HSR guys use the "divide and conquer" strategy? That's what they have been using in other communities to avoid dissenting opinions -- put citizens into small groups to keep opponents quiet, then give everyone the false sense of being participants in the design process.

Too bad I don't have the money to gather the signatures for another proposition to kill this crazy HSR.


Posted by Andrew Bachmann, a resident of Shoreline West
on Apr 29, 2010 at 9:27 pm

With so much objection to HSR on the peninsula, I wonder why they don't just start building from LA to SJ. They're going to need to build that anyway, so they may as well do it. And if they run out of capital (fiscal or political) to run on SJ to SF, at least there'd be something useful to show for the work. Goodness knows we need the jobs right now in California.


Posted by Rodger, a resident of Sylvan Park
on Apr 29, 2010 at 10:20 pm

This meeting will be like the last, only the High Speed Rail people are allowed to speak, no equal time scheduled for speakers with the opposite views. At the last meeting we were only allowed to ask written questions and then those were screened, my questions were not answered.

I think we have to get the money together to fund a proposition to kill this wasteful unneeded project. The airlines can take us to LA at 400 miles an hour with competition to keep the price down and NO TAX MONEY.

Let's get organized, Email me at jp94041@yahoo.com


Posted by Political Insider, a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 29, 2010 at 11:17 pm

Amazing how so many people have such strong opinions with so little information about the project.


Posted by Influence Peddling, a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 30, 2010 at 7:10 am

Amazing how so many people have such strong opinions with so little information about the project.
Really now, How much information do you need to know the effort has ZERO funding and is nothing but and "educational" experience.

The project is nothing but a boondoggle and fubar


Posted by Mike Laursen, a resident of Monta Loma
on Apr 30, 2010 at 2:39 pm

re: "Is this going to be another of those meetings where the HSR guys use the "divide and conquer" strategy?"

You'll sometimes hear this way of conducting meetings called the Delphi method or Delphi technique, which was a legitimate method of gathering consensus opinion that was invented by the RAND Corporation. The manipulation that you've experienced in public meetings is sort of a bastardized version of the original method.


Posted by Mike Laursen, a resident of Monta Loma
on Apr 30, 2010 at 2:53 pm

re: "With so much objection to HSR on the peninsula, I wonder why they don't just start building from LA to SJ."

They're getting a lot of objections from people in L.A., too. Perhaps more than here.


Posted by Spokker, a resident of another community
on Apr 30, 2010 at 4:45 pm

"They're getting a lot of objections from people in L.A., too. Perhaps more than here."

The objections aren't so much against the project, but against a dedicated alternative and for a shared track alternative. Between Anaheim and LA we're looking at about 5 tracks total.



Posted by Caltrain not HSR, a resident of The Crossings
on Apr 30, 2010 at 4:47 pm

See Friday's SJMN cover story on the audit of the high speed rail authority. I'm half thinking of going to Monday's meeting with the newspaper pasted to a picket sign.


Posted by Caltrain not HSR, a resident of The Crossings
on Apr 30, 2010 at 4:54 pm

Just saw the Voice story on the audit - more detailed than Merc's and even more damning. I voted for HSR and now I want a chance to change my vote.


Posted by tommygee, a resident of Rex Manor
on May 3, 2010 at 3:51 pm

Hey by the time HSR gets built, I won't need to go to the LA area anymore. I do have relatives in the area, but not in 2020...


Posted by curious, a resident of Cuesta Park
on May 3, 2010 at 4:28 pm

"The meeting's purpose is to help residents "understand what might be proposed and what its effect on Mountain View will be," said Mayor Ronit Bryant at Tuesday's council meeting."

The problem is not that people don't understand this boondoggle. It's that we understand it and know it needs to be changed. This is just going to be a dog and pony show for them to try to ram it down our throats. It's what the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan used to call 'boob bait for the bubbas.'

The Mtn. View City Council has to join the other peninsula cities to take legal action to stop this.


Posted by Kathy, a resident of Sylvan Park
on May 3, 2010 at 5:35 pm

The ROI for High Speed Rail does not pencil out, we were asked to vote for it without any details on execution. This project needs to be shelved.


Posted by James, a resident of Castro City
on May 9, 2010 at 12:27 pm

Why can't CAHSR share tracks with Caltrain between SF and SJ? There is some extra engineering to be done, like to change all the at grade intersections to grade separated, add passing tracks at Caltrain stations, upgrade Caltrain to EMU. This will be more convenient for local riders, cost much less, and probably cause much less disruption for the local residents.


Posted by nancy, a resident of another community
on Jun 7, 2010 at 2:40 pm

we lack retro period design buidings , it really pisses me off that we have to design a train bus terminal that look like garbage. come on who is the horrible desginer who thought up this idea for the new future transbay center. who who who, sorry for insulting you lovers who hate period era design buildings, sorry that i'm too old fahioned for your taste. but i wish the old `1930's trans bay terminal was kept if desginers insist on making buildings look stupid i pods, butts, lumps of shapless clay, and green houses. priod era retro buildings are classy, no ifs and doubts. the desginer of this new place really makes me feel sad. i wish there was other people who agree with me but i'm sure they aren't. i'd be happy if there were commenters on my side who love period era desgined buildings as much as i do.


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