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Fight and flight: the new approach to school shooters

Original post made on Jun 24, 2014

After the school shooting at Sandy Hook, as many as 74 school shooting incidents have occurred in the United States, most recently in Seattle and Oregon.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 10:27 AM

Comments (12)

Posted by Readin', Writin', Rumblin', a resident of Monta Loma
on Jun 24, 2014 at 1:13 pm

God Bless America!


Posted by Only thing to fear is fear itself, a resident of Monta Loma
on Jun 24, 2014 at 2:25 pm

Only thing to fear is fear itself!!

If it happens, just stay calm and react the way you think you should, whether it's flight or fight.


Posted by Croc Dundee, a resident of another community
on Jun 24, 2014 at 2:47 pm


Please be more cautious in relying on facts asserted by parties with an agenda. There have not been 74 "school shooting incidents" since Sandy Hook.
See the Politifact article on this subject, which rates the claim "mostly false" and explains why. <Web Link;


Posted by We were once a great nation, a resident of Cuesta Park
on Jun 24, 2014 at 2:51 pm

America is powerless to stop this...said no other country except America.


Posted by Otto Maddox, a resident of Monta Loma
on Jun 24, 2014 at 3:09 pm

Well this is a step in the right direction. I'm all for giving students and teachers power to decide what to do on the ground as things are happening.

I do think it's crazy to tell someone to bring a fire extinguisher to a gun fight or to "improvise" a weapon.. we're not all McGyver.

I'd say let teachers carry guns but I know that would never happen in this part of the country.


Posted by PeaceLove, a resident of Shoreline West
on Jun 24, 2014 at 3:12 pm

Correct link cited by Croc Dundee, above:
Web Link

Tl/dr: The "74 school shootings since Sandy Hook" trope uses a very, *very* loose definition of "school shooting."


Posted by Eric, a resident of another community
on Jun 24, 2014 at 4:21 pm

Peace/love and Croc-- exactly, then, how many "real" school shootings is acceptable to you? What level of senseless gun violence in the vicinity of children is within your comfort zone?

the gun worshipping crowd boggles my mind. From now on, I will always associate you and your ilk with the sad and weak open-carry misfits in Texas. Overgrown children who only have any power by intimidation. Sad little people


Posted by Just Sayin', a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jun 24, 2014 at 4:36 pm

"When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns..." Organized crime will be sure they're available to all the ne'er do wells who want them.


Posted by More on that article, a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jun 24, 2014 at 5:40 pm

Here is the gist of the story that Croc Dundee mentions below...

My take: were there guns involved? YES; was it at a school? YES. I go with 74.


We reviewed news reports for all 74 shootings and did our best to sort them into five categories. Here's our breakdown. (See individual shootings by category here, with clickable links to news reports on each shooting.)

• Incidents such as Sandy Hook or Columbine in which the shooter intended to commit mass murder: 10 instances
• Incidents related to criminal activity (such as drug dealing or robbery), or personal altercations: 39 instances
• Incidents unconnected to members of school community and/or that took place outside school hours: 16 instances
• Suicides: 6 instances
• Accidental discharges: 3 instances


Posted by Zekkulas Bulgaris, a resident of Willowgate
on Jun 24, 2014 at 8:16 pm

I believe children should be given guns, just like in Texas.
God bless Texas.


Posted by Gary Schaefer, a resident of another community
on Jun 24, 2014 at 8:20 pm

I'll bet these numbers were taken from Bloomberg's inflated propaganda.
Consisting of shootings by Gangs, close by and others all not during school hours. That's not my point however as even one child killed in school by gun violence is way too many.

If you are going to "LOCK DOWN" you need a "SAFE ROOM".
If you are going to "FLEE" you need to be sure you're not running into the attacker or his accomplices as has happened.

We could retrofit schools to add a "safe room" or make all classrooms a "bunker" or assign a Police office to each school, or Private security, all would be very expensive. Retrofits would take time.

I feel any teacher that's legally qualified and wants to, should be allowed to take the CCW course. When that course is completed, issued a CCW permit and allowed to carry on school grounds during class time. That school can then assign these teachers strategic classrooms and put on a schools response team. The response team could have special communications to the police and each other via handheld radios.
These teachers would provide an immediate ability to actively stop an attacker. This is the best, most cost effective way to be sure our children are protected.

I'm even willing to bet there are a lot of people and businesses that would willingly donate ammo for these teachers to remain properly trained and proficient with their skills.


Posted by Rod Rammersmith, a resident of Willowgate
on Jun 24, 2014 at 8:21 pm

Children with guns? are you mad? I mean i could see TASER training courses and having TASERS in hallways like fire extinguishers but kids guns is just asking for abuse!


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