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Deported felon re-arrested at Rengstorff Park

Original post made on Apr 20, 2009

Police say they have called Immigration and Customs Enforcement regarding a previously deported felon and gang member after he was stopped Sunday evening leaving Rengstorff Park with three other known gang members.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, April 20, 2009, 1:39 PM

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Posted by The Dad
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 20, 2009 at 2:28 pm

I guess they'll deport him again...that'll show him.


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Posted by Another Dad
a resident of Shoreline West
on Apr 20, 2009 at 2:41 pm

That officer gets kudos from me for picking the right place and time, not only to watch but also to act. I spent much of the afternoon there with my 2 young kids, and feel no less safe now (but still won't buy that ice cream).


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Posted by curious
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 20, 2009 at 2:50 pm

I wonder how the guy was ID'd. With Mtn View's sanctuary policy, the police are not allowed to try to find out whether arrestees are illegal aliens. There must be more to this story. Maybe the cop who picked him up was the one who arrested him for the felony conviction?? Voice editor, you have to dig into this story more.


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Posted by harvardmom
a resident of Monta Loma
on Apr 20, 2009 at 2:55 pm

Is Rengstorff Park ever going to feel safe and be fun again? I used to hold my son's birthday parties there but now it seems too creepy to go near.


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Posted by Andy
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 20, 2009 at 3:16 pm

He is just going to come back in a few days.


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Posted by Don Frances
Mountain View Voice Editor
on Apr 20, 2009 at 3:27 pm

Don Frances is a registered user.

I will say it again: Mountain View does not have a sanctuary city policy. Police do not seek to find out immigrant status for lesser crimes, but they do take note of immigrant status for certain felonies and contact ICE accordingly. And as this story makes clear, they also work with ICE in other cases too.


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Posted by USA
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 20, 2009 at 3:29 pm

I used to live in the apartments on the corner of Rengstorff and Central 25 years ago. It was a nice, safe area back then.


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Posted by MV Home Owner
a resident of The Crossings
on Apr 20, 2009 at 3:30 pm

What will happen when he's deported? Will Mexican authorities be involved? If it's true that he'll just come right back, why deport him? If our citizens need to be protected, keep him locked up!


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Posted by USA
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 20, 2009 at 3:41 pm

Don -- you are splitting hairs. By not asking immigration status in most cases, there is a de facto sanctuary policy. If you don't like the term "sanctuary", suggest another one. If we can call illegals "undocumented workers" then we can find a euphemism for "sanctuary". How about "selective immigration law enforcement"?


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Posted by Ex MV resident
a resident of North Whisman
on Apr 20, 2009 at 4:15 pm

Don: I will raise the ante: You are LYING when you claim tha MV is not a SANCTUARY CITY. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, defecates like a duck, IT'S A DUCK! Your own cops WILL NOT ENFORCE ALL FEDERAL LAWS! The last time I looked, California, Santa Clara County and Mountain View ARE in the United States and are subject to the US Code. I believe a WAR was fought in this country over this issue.
So take the blinders off and understand the REALITY of the situation in MV and WHY you have a REPEAT LAWBREAKER called an ILLEGAL ALIEN on your BLOODY hands.
Yes, people like you are BREAKING THE LAW by looking the other way when you create a SANCTUARY city.
You WANT lawbreakers, then suffer the consequences that follow when people break the law! That includes DEATH of your fellow US CITIZENS ( you ARE a US CITIZEN, right? )by ILLEGAL ALIENS...

Look up the REAL STATISTICS on the ILLEGAL ALIEN. By credible sources.



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Posted by Don Frances
Mountain View Voice Editor
on Apr 20, 2009 at 4:45 pm

Don Frances is a registered user.

Hi USA,

I really don't think it's splitting hairs to make clear that Mountain View does *not* have an official policy in place like the one that San Francisco once had, called "sanctuary city," which it later abandoned after an illegal immigrant shot some people -- if I remember, a father and two sons -- to death.

Because of that history, "sanctuary city" is an obviously loaded term, which is exactly why people keep using it whether or not it's accurate. This leads to confusion of the sort seen earlier in this comment thread:

"I wonder how the guy was ID'd. With Mtn View's sanctuary policy, the police are not allowed to try to find out whether arrestees are illegal aliens."

They are indeed allowed, under certain circumstances. That's the whole point of the story.

Part of my job here is to clear up confusion whenever possible. If you want to use a euphemism, I can't stop you (any more than I can get "Ex MV resident" to calm down), but I can try to avoid misinformation from propagating on this site.

As an aside, I wouldn't use the specific euphemism you picked for the following reason: MVPD is not ICE. They have enough on their hands without trying to do the job of the federal government too. In fact, given the sort of investigations within the Latino community Mountain View's cops have to do -- which require building information sources and trust among the community -- my guess is it would be totally counterproductive for them to *always and in every case* be doing the federal government's immigration work.


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Posted by eric
a resident of another community
on Apr 20, 2009 at 5:13 pm

so, USA, I suppose you're also in favor of collecting DNA samples for traffic tickets? At what level do you start your guilty until proven innocent policy?

You're assigning a very large burden on a small local police force.


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Posted by Ex MV resident
a resident of North Whisman
on Apr 20, 2009 at 5:17 pm

Mr Frances:
Face FACTS. They have a bad habit of treating people rather harshly when they are ignored. You are rapidly progressing from an IGNORANT member of the public to a STUPID one. The worst part of your STUPIDITY is that you have a public forum and a title to spout your ignorance of FACTS.
You don't even consider the fact that I am quoting facts. So much for your JOURNALISM.
What is worse is that you justify LAWBREAKERRS on your own police force. It is called SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT and breaks another law!
So wallow in your stupidity. Journalism in your hands is like handing a three year old a loaded revolver and is producing the same results.

I pity fools like you. That is why I no longer reside in Mountain View.

P.S. I made good money by Observing and Reporting Facts. NASA/AMES publicized the fact that they have used one of the computers I helped design. If you are a GOOD reporter who deals in facts, you probably can guess who I worked for...when I left Mountain View to work in Northwestern Wisconsin. And to work on DARPANET...


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Posted by USA
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 20, 2009 at 5:28 pm

Don -- It is the job of every law enforcement officer to uphold the federal, state, and local laws. While an officer may hand-off an arrestee to another agency to handle, an office should not choose which laws he wants to enforce any more than any of us can choose which laws to follow.

BTW, you may want to just automatically turn on the only-registered-users-can-post policy whenever publishing articles that touch on immigration issues. It will keep things settled down.


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Posted by kanan krishnan
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 20, 2009 at 5:30 pm

it is very clear that the people living near rengstorff are supporting and helping these felons,gang members. it is the responsibility of the apartment complex owners to make sure these gangs and the members are kept away and warn the people living in these complexes will be evicted and punished lawfully. i would also urge these complex owners to make sure the renters have proper ids and history before the apartments are rented out. the owners can't claim innocence when many of their legal residents' cars are vandalized, properties are robbed and their lives are put in danger during their normal lives. I know that the police are doing their best but they they can't keep us safe if these apartment owners simply collect money and fail to take responsibilities for the crimes that is committed by these gangsters because their apartments are rented to undocumented aliens. in addition, these residents are causing heavy traffic jam because of their frequent congregation in street corners . the food vendors are another nuisance evn thiugh i understand that they are trying to make a living. let us hope that they are not selling any illegal substances.


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Posted by USA
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 20, 2009 at 5:41 pm

Eric -- Every day I have to present ID to prove who I am. I have to carry my driver's license at all times in case I am stopped for a traffic violation. I have to have my security card to get into my office building. I have to have an ID to cash a check. I have to have a credit card and zip code to buy gas. I have to have a card to check out a book or use the PC at the library. I have to have an ID to buy a drink. I have to enter a password to access my PC, my e-mail, and most on-line services. I have to enter a PIN and have my picture taken to access my bank account from and ATM. I cannot even walk into a Costco without my Costco ID.

While presenting an ID for proof of citizenship is a burden, it is hardly much of a problem in our modern society. If the CHP can nail me for $180 for being three days over on the registration sticker, then the CHP and the local officers can take 30 seconds out of their lives to ask about citizenship. It is no big deal.




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Posted by Don Frances
Mountain View Voice Editor
on Apr 20, 2009 at 5:45 pm

Don Frances is a registered user.

USA,

Not a bad idea about the registered-only. Of all the hot-button issues, immigration is the hottest.

Still, in this comment thread it's only one poster dragging down the level of discourse. And without him we wouldn't have gotten such gems as "You don't even consider the fact that I am quoting facts," and my personal favorite, "Journalism in your hands is like handing a three year old a loaded revolver and is producing the same results."

Anyway, our positions on this have been made fairly clear, which is good. In a sense, I think, police everywhere do chose which laws to enforce, although putting it in stark terms like that is misleading because it's oversimplifying.

But now I'm being philosophical -- the important point, which I can't stress enough, is that Mountain View does not have, nor has it ever had, an official "sanctuary city" policy in place.


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Posted by eric
a resident of another community
on Apr 20, 2009 at 6:04 pm

Fair point, USA, but almost every one of the items you mentioned is something that you CHOOSE to do-- Costco membership, the convenience of an ATM card at the pump, where you have decided to work, etc. Not the same as increased personal scrutiny by the state.

When you show your drivers license when recieving a citation, it is because you have been accused of a violation. Would you not complain if, for example, you had to show ID to travel between Santa Clara and San Mateo county-- you know, we'd catch a lot of bad guys that way.


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Posted by Big Surprise!
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 20, 2009 at 6:12 pm


GEE WHAT A BIG SURPRISE! Not in Rengstroff Park! If you go to that park you should go during peak hours. Get outta there by 4:30 Stay out of the restroom, Stay away from groups of young thugs. Don't let your children go there alone! Don't jog on the back side of the park where theres less people to come to your aid. Always have your cellphone ready. Does anyone know how many driveby shootings, gang related crimes or murders that have happened in that park? I've lost count.


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Posted by Ex MV resident
a resident of North Whisman
on Apr 20, 2009 at 6:19 pm

Simplifying the problem is the first step to coming to a solution to the problem. In many cases, I have found that the ones complaining about simplifying the problem has a vested interest in keeping the problem in the first place....or defending the people who keep the problem in place.
I've solved many problems by cutting away the obfuscation and lies to finally point out the source. I've done so in this case. You have a REPEAT lawbreaker. You now know why.
The people defending lawbreakers are part of the problem. You can't claim ignorance if you see more ILLEGAL ALIEN LAWBREAKERS make a repeat performance like this one. You think that you are not personally affected. The facts say different. Your next wake-up call may be a more personal one.

" We have met the enemy and it is us "

-POGO


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Posted by Ex MV resident
a resident of North Whisman
on Apr 20, 2009 at 6:33 pm

Eric, to get a Drivers License you CHOOSE to meet certain RULES of the ROAD.

If you are a LEGAL IMMIGRANT, you CHOOSE to also meet certain RULES when you enter this country.

These rules are known as LAWS. LAWBREAKERS by definition don't follow our rules.

LAWBREAKERS CHOOSE to break our laws. Our LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS are supposed to STOP LAWBREAKERS.

That is not being done in this case. The FAIR MVPD solution: What the MVPD should do for EVERY US CITIZEN is give EACH one a " do over "... I can think of a few situations where I would like a " do over " in Mountain View.

That would put the US CITIZEN on the same footing as the ILLEGAL ALIEN.

That would also provide the solution that Mr. Frances and the MVPD

But that would create ANARCHY... would it?


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Posted by Mr. Big
a resident of North Whisman
on Apr 21, 2009 at 1:47 am

IF the Pigs have reasonable cause to stop the Illegal Immigrants AND the have probable cause to believe they are not citizens THEN I don't care if they ask about their status. BUT, I don't want to create a fascist state by requiring everyone to carry ID at all times. SURE, you may have it on you, BUT you shouldn't be required to show it unless you are breaking the law or driving an automobile.

Any racists that are willing leave Mountain View are doing us a favor, please continue this wonderful practice, even those of you that design the computers that are used to spy on ALL of us for no good reason.

ALL the freaking gang banger's need to be put on chain gangs repairing our crumbling infrastructure.

ALL the non-hardcore prison inmates need to be living in tent cities in the middle of the Mojave, Sheriff Arpayo style, with the prison's reserved for the hardcore criminals.

Get your guns while you can, and don't forget the ammo!!!

Immigration sweeps are useless as long you don't enforce the laws against hiring illegal immigrants. It's not so hard to require every employer to check a national database to make sure the SS# matches the information on an application then check to make sure a business has the same number of verified employees as they are collecting taxes. ALL accounting firms need to also verify the number of employees with the government for each client and report any discrepancies.

Tell Obama to go after the CIA black site and Guantanamo/Abu Ghraib military torturer's, NSA data miners, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Yoo, Rice, Gonzales, Tenet, Libby, Wolfowitz, Perle, Armitage, Bolton, Abrams, Chalabi, Frum, Addleman, and all the other K-street project, Project for a New American Century and Members of Cheney's 'Special" Pentagon Intel Offices I didn't already mention.

See what happens when you down a tallboy can of energy drink for the first time...


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Posted by Ex-MV Resident
a resident of North Whisman
on Apr 21, 2009 at 8:09 am

Web Link

A fifth column is a group of people who clandestinely undermine a larger group, such as a nation, from within, to the aid of an external enemy.

Web Link

Sedition is a term of law which refers to covert conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority as tending toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

If the shoe fits.......


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Posted by Ex-MV Resident
a resident of North Whisman
on Apr 21, 2009 at 8:31 am

TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER II > Part VIII > § 1325

§ 1325. Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.

§ 1324a. Unlawful employment of aliens

(a) Making employment of unauthorized aliens unlawful
(1) In general
It is unlawful for a person or other entity—
(A) to hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an alien knowing the alien is an unauthorized alien (as defined in subsection (h)(3) of this section) with respect to such employment, or
(B)
(i) to hire for employment in the United States an individual without complying with the requirements of subsection (b) of this section or
(ii) if the person or entity is an agricultural association, agricultural employer, or farm labor contractor (as defined in section 1802 of title 29), to hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an individual without complying with the requirements of subsection (b) of this section.
(2) Continuing employment
It is unlawful for a person or other entity, after hiring an alien for employment in accordance with paragraph (1), to continue to employ the alien in the United States knowing the alien is (or has become) an unauthorized alien with respect to such employment.

§ 1327. Aiding or assisting certain aliens to enter

Any person who knowingly aids or assists any alien inadmissible under section 1182 (a)(2) (insofar as an alien inadmissible under such section has been convicted of an aggravated felony) or 1182(a)(3) (other than subparagraph (E) thereof) of this title to enter the United States, or who connives or conspires with any person or persons to allow, procure, or permit any such alien to enter the United States, shall be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.


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Posted by USA
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 21, 2009 at 9:19 am

Eric -- That is true in a strict sense. One could also say that paying income tax is a choice in that you can choose not to work. Similarly paying property tax and sales tax are also a choices.

I am certainly not advocating yet more government interference and paperwork, but I do think that we could do a lot better on immigration if we simply put some reasonable effort into enforcement of the existing laws.


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Posted by USA
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 21, 2009 at 9:25 am

Ex-MV -- Dude, you are not helping. The pro-illegal immigration people have a hair-trigger with the race card and the anti-immigrant card. They are trying to make pro-law enforcement people look like hateful, militaristic, jingoistic, racist nut jobs. Your rants are only giving them ammunition.


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Posted by GDM
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Apr 21, 2009 at 10:37 am

I wonder if Ex-MV and USA are writing all their comments on company time.


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Posted by Ex-MV Resident
a resident of North Whisman
on Apr 21, 2009 at 10:57 am

Nope. My time is my own. My laptops, desktops and servers are my own.

So posting the laws and legal definitions are rants?

This country has surely lost it's way.

I can see why the rest of the world is doing a better job when it comes to technology. The sun is setting on Silicon Valley. You deserve the empty buildings I saw on my last visit. You are starting to have " Broken Window " syndrome.

Web Link

It's pretty bad when the local editor and the police chief encourages it.


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Posted by The Reactionary Fringe
a resident of Rex Manor
on Apr 21, 2009 at 1:12 pm

Maybe he should have gone to the Day Workers Center instead?


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Posted by curious
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 21, 2009 at 1:19 pm

Mr. Frances, you are indeed splitting hairs. Why did you refuse to respond to my question. How did the MVPD know this guy was an illegal alien? Were they breaking their own regulations by actually inquiring as to his immigration status? I think that is a very significant point that you have not looked into. I would think the prime requirement for a journalist is curiosity. Where is yours?


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Posted by oldschgrl
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 21, 2009 at 2:29 pm

Get a clue people - the PD knew this guy was illegal cause he's been arrested so many times and keeps coming back. Thank goodness they recognized him and hopefully this last time he won't come back.
Who goes to Rengstorff any more? it was a nice park once upon a time until these gang bangers started acting like it was their own park, their own town. Someone that's been living here all their lives can't go to the 7-11 with out being hassled by these pains in the you know what. They have no respect for anyone or anything. Who cares
about the immigration laws - i just say get these gangs out of Mountain View.


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Posted by curious
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 21, 2009 at 2:35 pm

Some more interesting questions:

Where did this guy work?
Did his employer check his social security number?
Is he registered at The Day Workers Center?
Is he registered to vote?

-curious


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Posted by harvardmom
a resident of Monta Loma
on Apr 21, 2009 at 2:36 pm

Illegal alien issue or not, I want Rengstorff Park reclaimed as a safe, fun place for families. I'm more concerned about the gang, drug, prostitution, and other criminal activities that are keeping Mountain View residents far, far away.


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Posted by Don Frances
Mountain View Voice Editor
on Apr 21, 2009 at 3:14 pm

Don Frances is a registered user.

Curious:

Lots of things make me curious. This whole comment thread has been making me extremely curious.

As to your questions (the first set of them), you ask: How did the MVPD know this guy was an illegal alien? Were they breaking their own regulations by actually inquiring as to his immigration status?

Again, there are no such regulations. This is the fourth time I've said this in this thread alone! It's just not sinking in.

The story also states that the arrested man lied about his real identity. How did the cops find out he was lying? We don't immediately know from the police report, but it sounds like everyday police work -- witness ID, fingerprints, whatever -- and no giant mystery. I asked Liz Wylie, MVPD police spokesperson, how in this case the suspect's identity was found out, and she said she's checking in on it.

Wylie also provided an excellent explanation as to police procedure when dealing with previously deported felons. Here it is:

"We found out this suspect was a previously deported felon when we ran a standard check on his name and date of birth. When somebody is deported due to a major felony conviction, they are instructed not to come back into this country, ever. A deported felon has done something very bad to get kicked out in the first place. When they are deported, ICE creates a permanent entry on them called a 'hit' that pops up the second you run the person's name in the system. Every time we run a person out [this is cop talk for running a check on a suspect's name and DOB], we get certain types of info (if there is any) from the state and federal level about their past involvement with law enforcement. We get probation and parole hits, restraining order hits, warrants hits, missing person hits and, occasionally but rarely, previously deported felon hits. Each hit has instructions for the officer. It could be a warrant and we are instructed to arrest. It could be a warrant and we are instructed to cite and release. It could be a domestic violence restraining order and we are instructed to arrest the person if he/she is violating the listed terms of the order. In the case of a deported felon hit, we are instructed to detain the person and call ICE. In this case, we were arresting the man anyways for lying to us about his identity. In either case, ICE generally instructs the officer to take the person to jail where they (ICE) will handle putting a 'hold' on the person, which acts as his ticket to jail and his ticket to stay in jail until the process is completed. ICE handles the deportation process. We are not involved anymore once we book the person into jail."

Wylie added that "people think we have the jurisdiction to enforce federal laws. We do not. It is outside of our jurisdictions. We only have authority to enforce state laws, not federal laws."

I hope this helps allay some of the questions and criticisms out there.


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Posted by Bruno
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 21, 2009 at 3:35 pm

"You don't even consider the fact that I am quoting facts."

From now on I'm ending all of my arguments with this sentence. I'll never be wrong again because I've got my facts!

I don't mind some of our citizens being anti-illegal, but remember that not all Latino faces are here illegally. Many are here legally and have been for years providing a much better place to live and opportunities for their families. The dirty looks and judgements should be reserved for those who truly deserve it, not those who you suspect do.


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Posted by Ex-MV Resident
a resident of North Whisman
on Apr 21, 2009 at 4:35 pm

Interesting. Frances and others ASSume that I don't support LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Nothing is farther than the truth. LEGAL IMMIGRANTS make up the majority of the inhabitants in this country.

[Portion removed due to disrespectful comment or offensive language] We USED to be able to FREELY walk anywhere within the city limits, we USED to go anywhere without seeing gang signs and their " street art ". It is obvious that is no longer the case. Frances and the MVPD have encouraged this to happen.
I thought that the MOUTHPIECE for the MVPD would do a better job.
Look at East Palo Alto. That is your future, Mountain View.






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Posted by Bruno
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 21, 2009 at 4:50 pm

Ex-MV,

I'm glad you left.


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Posted by MV81
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 21, 2009 at 5:50 pm

I second that one, Bruno!


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Posted by Johnny Robots
a resident of North Whisman
on Apr 21, 2009 at 7:33 pm

Maybe if we treated this guy the way the Mexican police treat illegal aliens in Mexico before we deport him he'll stay in Mexico.



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Posted by Snakefinger
a resident of North Whisman
on Apr 21, 2009 at 8:55 pm

While no shortage of venom spilled in the previous posts, it's good to see that people in this forum care deeply enough about their neighborhoods to engage in lively debate. And for that I applaud you, even if I don't share your opinions.

More to the point: I've lived in urban areas throughout the world -- from Europe and the Middle East to the East Coast and Midwest. Every last place had a bad part of town populated by people of questionable intent. This hardship can be traced back to a time long before any of us were born -- possibly, I suspect, even before there was a place called Mountain View. Miguel Martinez's illegal immigrant status is barely relevant to the bigger issue: Troublemakers will always be out there, which is why we pay taxes to hire police officers, like the ones who performed their duty in Rengsdorf Park last Sunday. Thanks to them for their vigilance.

But the anti-immigration hysteria troubles me. If the federal government had the ability to build a wall long enough to span from the Atlantic to the Pacific, dotted with guard towers outfitted with high-tech surveillance equipment, and manned by an army of well-armed militiamen on guard 24 hours a day, perhaps we could keep our neighbors from sneaking over the border â€" er, at least our brown-skinned neighbors. (It's interesting how Americans never seem to care about white-skinned immigrants -- legal and otherwise -- who come from the north to take higher-salaried jobs, and are more likely to displace the very people so feverishly typing on this message board.)

If we spent the trillions of dollars needed to build our fictitious wall, and then billions more per year to hire, train, and supply a sufficient number of border guards, I suspect that we still couldn't stop illegal immigrants from entering the U.S. Think about it. Every time we try to bolster border security by writing new law or training more agents, illegal immigrants simply find other routes into the U.S. Effectively, nothing changes, except our hopes, and then only for a day or two. It's better to face it. We can't afford to build that wall. There are much wiser ways to spend our tax dollars than chasing ghosts.

Opponents of illegal immigration are quick to beat their chests and assign blame, but rarely offer even remotely realistic solutions. Instead, we get a symbolic and ineffective gesture like the Minutemen, which suddenly dominates the news cycle, and is gone as quickly. We repeat the same rituals over and over, and yet expect different results every time. I wouldn't necessarily define this behavior as insanity (after all, few Americans actually favor illegal immigration), but I would call it naiveté.

Some problems don't have a satisfactory solution. They offer only a chance to pick the better of two evils. That's why the guest worker center is a good idea. At least some of those gang members in Rengsdorf Park resort to crime because they don't have alternatives. Most are shockingly uneducated. Besides doing farm work, domestic chores, and manual labor, they have very few employment opportunities. Why encourage them to consider selling drugs by making it even more difficult for them to find honest work? We want more law-abiding residents in Mountain View, and fewer criminals.

Now, dear reader, brace yourself for a dreaded ALL CAPS RESPONSE!


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Posted by Jon Wiener
a resident of another community
on Apr 21, 2009 at 10:59 pm

THAT'S BECAUSE YOU LIKE THE CITY'S SANCTUARY CITY POLICY


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Posted by USA
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 21, 2009 at 11:53 pm

GDM - I am writing on company time. Got any other questions? Are some related to the topic?


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Posted by USA
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 21, 2009 at 11:57 pm

Ex-MV -- See what I mean? Snakefinger refers to the "anti-immigration hysteria" even though everyone has been clear to point out that their problem is only with illegal immigration. His kind are indestructible, so you need to chill out on your rants.


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Posted by curious
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 22, 2009 at 10:05 am

Mr. Frances

Thanks for your response. Let's agree to disagree about the MVPD policy. I do look forward to your article and any follow ups you are able to find. Illegal immigration os a major issue impacting everything from crime to employment to spend on public schools. For example, the liberal Pew Center just released a study that 10% of students across the US are illegal aliens or their children. I am sure the percentage is much higher in Mountain View. This is particularly relevant considering the budget problems at the schools and in all levels of government.

And it looks like Snakefinger has just invoked Godwin's law of illegal immigration discussions by dealing the race and anti-immigration smear cards so this discussion may have run its course but the issue is certainly there and I would like to see more articles in the Voice discussing it.

-curious


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Posted by USA
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 22, 2009 at 10:19 am

Don, an article that reports on Mountain View's sort-of-sanctuary policy -- what it is and what it isn't -- would be of interest to many of your readers and could be referenced in the future to help guide the inevitable discussions on immigration.


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Posted by Carlos Mackey
a resident of another community
on Apr 22, 2009 at 12:57 pm

Don:You are wrong. Look up Vasquez Alvarez 176 f 3rd,and the Supreme Court overuling the 9th circuit in Muehler v Mena;You have the right.


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Posted by Ed Harris
a resident of another community
on Apr 22, 2009 at 1:07 pm

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Posted by Tom
a resident of Rex Manor
on Apr 22, 2009 at 11:35 pm

Don't be fooled! NO on prop 1A!

Web Link


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Posted by Jimi
a resident of another community
on Apr 23, 2009 at 8:10 am

But I thought they only came here to work and feed their families?
No matter, Barry Soetoro will legalize all the gang members and put them on the street with the Guantanamo terrorists with welfare.


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Posted by Tex
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Apr 26, 2009 at 9:59 am

Tall tree short rope!!!!!!!


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