Dream Act hailed by local officials Other Issues, posted by Editor, Mountain View Voice Online, on Oct 17, 2011 at 11:46 am
Officials in the local community college district and immigrant rights activists are applauding the recent passage of a new California law that will make it possible for illegal immigrant students to apply for and receive financial aid from the state.
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Posted by Another Steve, a resident of the Rex Manor neighborhood, on Oct 17, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Since some don't appear interested in allowing these kids to become productive -- I would ask the following:
As government at all levels cuts back, specifically what priorities of what agencies should be changed so that removing 12 million people in the country without proper documents can be accomplished in a timely and cost effective manner? Don't forget the legal costs of those accused wrongly (many people were born here but have never needed to produce those documents). After all, look how much expense and trouble was expended on The President's proof of citizenship!
Posted by Old Ben, a resident of the Shoreline West neighborhood, on Oct 17, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Jerry Brown has lost me completely, and I've been a supporter of his for decades. He vetoed a bill that would have legalized industrial hemp and signed this travesty. All dealings with Mexico related to immigration should be on a quid-pro-quo basis. They have the toughest immigration laws in North America.
Industrial hemp legalization would create hundreds of thousands of jobs in agriculture, processing, and manufacturing. An additional benefit would be the degradation of THC-enhanced hybrid strains grown illegally in public wildlife areas via cross-pollination. Strains of THC-valued hybrids grown outdoors illegally would no longer be competitive in the market for psychoactive hemp.
Posted by Steve, a resident of the Sylvan Park neighborhood, on Oct 17, 2011 at 2:56 pm
During his campaign, Brown persuaded the voters that he could really get things done. Mandatory gay-agenda school curriculum, attacks on second ammendment rights, and now rewarding criminal behavior financially. What might he do next? He should have disclosed that he had gone insane.
Posted by Jason, a resident of another community, on Oct 17, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Vfree, are you serious? Is that how you call them 'scum', I know your parents raised you better than that. Deport the real criminals not students seeking for an education. I have plenty of natural born citizen friends who would care less about an education. It's funny on how you don't want the people who actually want to work at a legit job be stopped yet not care about those who could careless about an education simply because they were born here.
Steve I asked a simple question. When you were a child did you decide were to live?
Posted by Steve, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Oct 17, 2011 at 3:11 pm
@Jason stop it with the ridiculous claims of racism. It's becoming boring. This has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with following the law.
Brown has just cranked up the power of the magnet that draws illegal immigrants to the US, and that is that they get free stuff that they could never dream of having in their own countries.
The claim of "it's for the children" is really starting to wear thin. If illegals knew that they wouldn't get free stuff, jobs, or status for their anchor babies by entering the US illegally, they simply wouldn't come here.
If believing this makes me fit some new definition of racist, then do be it.
Posted by member, a resident of the Blossom Valley neighborhood, on Oct 17, 2011 at 4:27 pm
I have to agree with Steve on this one. The more freebies that we offer the illegal immigrants, the more incentive to come to our country. Mexico doesn't offer anything except jail time for showing up in their country illegally - I haven't heard of anyone in the U.S. running for their border to take advantage of everything they have. Now, granted, they don't have a lot to offer, but my point is that they have stiff penalties. It's keeping people from their southern borders from crossing for a better life for their families. We have to take a firm stand. Our country is becoming unrecognizable. I am all for LEGAL immigration. It's what makes our country great. But rewarding illegal immigration, in any form, is absolutely wrong. Do we reward our children for engaging in illegal behavior? Of course not - if we're smart and loving parents. If we are a smart and loving country, we will encourage the legal entrance of immigrants, and when they have achieved LEGAL status, they are rewarded with things like a chance to receive loans and grants for college. It's very simple, really. But the dolt that is heading our state can't figure it out. Not surprising, really, since he ruined Oakland during his tenure as Mayor, and made a mess of California his first time around. Yet the imbeciles of California have a very short memory and decided to let him have a go at it once again. *Sigh*
I don't care what everyone is saying about how money isn't being taken from residents. That is not the only concern. What about the overcrowding? So the ILLEGAL immigrants receive the grants and take a spot from a student that maybe wanted to go but couldn't round up the funds. Stop trying to make excuses for these families. Everything is ILLEGAL - plain and simple. The whole thing makes me crazy. It worries me constantly to see where this country is headed. And just as an end note - if we don't vote out our current loser, duck and cover. All of this will only get worse, and a lot of heads will be exploding.
Posted by Steve, a resident of the Shoreline West neighborhood, on Oct 17, 2011 at 4:41 pm
My objection has nothing to do with the children. The problem is that this country has millions of illegal immigrants because parents wanted better for their child. Take away the motivation and the illegal immigration stops.
There's another problem with the AB 131. Once these people graduate, they will not be able to legally hold jobs. How is that helping them? It only encourages them and those who would hire them to break more laws. They are still illegal - and will remain illegal until they leave the US for ten years and apply to immigrate legally.
Posted by Steve, a resident of the Shoreline West neighborhood, on Oct 17, 2011 at 4:54 pm
I was not born in the US and as a child, I had no choice as to where I lived. My parents had that choice - and decided not to break the law and sneak across the border into the US. When I grew up, I got the necessary education, I worked, I saved my money, and then I followed the laws and immigrated to the US. It took many years.
Now, Jason, you can answer my question - why should parents be able to sneak their children across the border? Or sneak across the border themselves to give birth to children in the US?
Posted by Konrad M. Sosnow, a resident of another community, on Oct 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Illegal immigrants say that they have done nothing wrong. Thus, they thumb their noses at the U.S. immigrations laws. Many illegal immigrants feel that they have the right to drive without a license, the right to drive without insurance and the right to a job. It is only we who are citizens who have reduced rights.
Posted by Joe, a resident of the Cuernavaca neighborhood, on Oct 17, 2011 at 6:17 pm
These illegal aliens hopping over the border to give their children a better life is a crock! They came over to take jobs away from Americans who were paying income taxes. These illegals never paid income tax and I have never heard of any illegal alien saving money for their illegal childrens education.
When times were good, the illegal aliens were sending 20 to 40 billion dollars home to their Motherland. Now times are tough they are throwing themselves on liberals to get all the benefits they can.
Too bad we don't have immigration laws similar to Arizona and Alabama. I knew we were in trouble during the Brown - Whitman debate when Brown said "he wanted to bring the illegals out of the shadows."
We have a law against illegal immigration, if Brown can't or won't enforce the law, he should resign as governor!
Posted by Phil Roemer, a resident of the Waverly Park neighborhood, on Oct 17, 2011 at 8:29 pm
We have lost our minds. Who is the person that wrote this bill representing in the State Assembly? Certainly not the citizens of this country.
I just went through trying to get classes for two of my children for the past three quarters at Foothill and De Anza. Most of the classes they wanted were full due. We were told it is due to budget cuts and lack of funds. Now we have money to spend on ILLEGAL immigrants and room in classes for the extra students?
There are many things I would like in this world. Wanting them does make them a right. That includes an education if you come here illegally from another country.
Posted by Observer, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Oct 18, 2011 at 2:19 am
The loans will be used as free lines of credit. There will be no legal means of collecting the money if the people borrowing are illegal. And if the illegal is still illegal, than how would the illegal find legal employment to pay back the loan? There will be no incentive to pay back the loan, only to take one out.
Posted by Thom, a resident of the Jackson Park neighborhood, on Oct 18, 2011 at 1:34 pm
We've been watching and living the rise and fall of California and I still cannot believe that people elected the time proven loser to "run" the states business.
In regards to the racist comments. Let's explore the fact people that came here illegally are walking criminals. The young girls that exploit the anchor baby loop-hole are also stealing from all of us living legally and trying to make ends meet again. People that support things like the day worker center are turning their backs on the law. Meanwhile citizens are lined up at union halls waiting to get back to work.
It isn't just the mexicans. It's everyone here from all over the world that walk freely as criminals. Many people came here under temporary work visas that never left when the visa expired.
And lastly one would think if people do come here for a better life they would at least attempt to assimilate(sp?) into our culture by learning to communicate, etc. By paying taxes, and by doing it legally.
Posted by member, a resident of the Blossom Valley neighborhood, on Oct 18, 2011 at 2:02 pm
My last post to you was removed for "disrespectful content - personal attacks" regarding Jason's post to you. Let me just say that I respect your choice to be here legally and hope that you aren't letting Jason's "disrespectful content and personal attacks" toward you get to you. I'll leave it at that since this forum does not allow freedom of speech. The moderator must know Jason personally. So much for following the law and freedom of speech wherever you may be. These are all things of the past now. I guess we have to get used to it. It's the new world order. How sad that our country has become so unrecognizable.
Posted by Martin Omander, a resident of the Rex Manor neighborhood, on Oct 19, 2011 at 3:48 pm
"Few of their children in the country learn English ... The signs in our streets have inscriptions in both languages ... Unless the stream of their importation could be turned they will soon so outnumber us that all the advantages we have will not be able to preserve our language, and even our government will become precarious."
Benjamin Franklin, on German immigration to Pennsylvania, 1750s
People have been saying the sky is falling because of immigration since before the founding of our Republic. In real life, immigration brought economic progress and enriched our culture for 250+ years. Relax and get on with your lives.
Posted by lester, a resident of another community, on Oct 23, 2011 at 6:12 am
I do not understand why people have so much hate in their hearts we are all humans here to survive to provide for our children/family to make a better world who cares if they are here illegally they are not taking american jobs as most folks say most Mexicans i know are field workers or work in packing houses or clean houses they take the jobs most Americans DO NOT WANT and i also know some people who have citizenship don't even bother going to school they take things for granted but these kids want to go to school they want to become something in life i say let them be!
Posted by member, a resident of the Blossom Valley neighborhood, on Oct 23, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Are you paying taxes? I have my doubts since if you were, you would be as outraged as the majority of the population over the cost of educating, feeding, giving them health care, and paying for the anchor babies among other atrocities. If we "let them be", everyone in every country that doesn't have the freedoms we have, would be flowing into our borders at an even higher rate than we do now. That, my man, is not sustainable nor is it advisable for any country. We are TRILLIONS of dollars in debt as a nation and your "let it be" attitude will only help to make things so bad that we will become an unsustainable nation. Your mindset is not one that will get us anywhere. LEGAL immigration is the only way a country can have even a modicum of control over things inside its borders. Remove that to "let them be" and we will have a country just like any other. Our country is special - the aim is to try and keep it that way while we are run by ineffective dolts - both at the state level and the national level. Please, Lester, do your homework before you make half-cocked statements such as the one above. There is so much more to this issue, and so much more at stake.