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on Feb 14, 2013
You're 18 and now you have a criminal record. Say goodbye to your future.
He could always go into politics...
He is a good kid, who probably thought he was being funny. What they say about frontal lobes not being fully developed til people are in their twenties is true. Teenagers, even the smart ones, sometimes just make dumb mistakes because they simply don't understand what the consequences will be.
This kid should be expelled from the district, and he should have to pay for police. What a waste of resources.
I tell you the adolescent male brain is so flawed that we need to consider some sort of massive study and massive solution to protect society from the "jokes" this brain comes up with.
Idiocy of this sort deserves zero tolerance.
Pardon me, but what exactly could he be charged with? Making a disturbance, even on school grounds, isn't a public offense. At worst, it might violate school regulations and subject him to discipline within the school system. I just browsed Penal Code Title 11 (Crimes against the public peace) and did not see any provision that could possibly apply to these facts.
Mountain View has a policing agency that operates as if it is above the law, as if it IS the law. I can prove this. I intend to prove this. The Mountain View Municipal Corporation is arguably the MOST CORRUPT municipal government in all of California. This corrupt gang of organized criminals is kept in business by a "bought and paid for" County of Santa Clara Superior Court that rubber stamps whatever the police do. There is a huge amount of money flowing through local government here and nobody is watching the store.
Yet you all are coming down on this teenager as if he has done something serious. Unbelievable. Clueless. You are all totally clueless. He didn't do any harm at all. The fire department routinely responds to little bicycle accidents as if a Twin Towers incident had occurred, and this is a good thing, because it is essentially practice drills that ensure readiness if the real thing ever happens. This teenager just gave MVPD a practice drill. That's all.
When I was a teenager, the adult community told us in a thousand ways that we were the future, that we were special, that we could achieve anything that we imagined, etc. When I was a teenager, the adults made me feel that I could do something really good with my life. More importantly, they made me WANT to do something really good with my life.
Teenagers today are treated with contempt by the adults. This is because, speaking generally, adults today are spoiled, selfish brats. Adults today, speaking generally, are AWFUL people. HORRIBLE people.
Leave these teenagers alone. Unlike you, they are not yet corrupted by the selfishness and greed that has ruined you all (speaking generally) as people. And they are going to have the last laugh, because THEY INDEED ARE THE FUTURE.
I would like to request that posters please be sensitive and try to respond respectfully. This young man wore a costume to school to be funny, and some of you want him expelled from the district? I know this student and he is a very talented individual with a lot to offer the world. I am not very happy that he was even arrested and charged. This seems like an overaction. I did crazier pranks than this when I was in high school, but back then, officials acted with cool heads. I got a "don't do it again or else" and it was effective. From what I know of Chris, a reduced punishment would have been effective.
On a positive side, this turned out to be a good drill for the police, which will make them better prepared for the real thing, should that ever happen. I'm sure they will analyze their response and look for ways to improve. So this is far from a waste of tax payer dollars.
Mr. Christopher Egerton, would you please tell us exactly what Penal Code you were charged with? Please also tell us exactly what enforcement actions the police took. Did they handcuff you? Did they place you into a patrol car? Did they take you to MVPD headquarters? Did they book you? (If you were booked, you were fingerprinted and given a canary yellow form that lists the charge(s).)
I encourage this community to demand that MVPD release this information, including the full police incident / arrest report. Be vigilant. Defend your Constitution. This incident involves a teenager. If the police handled it unlawfully, if they made a false arrest on this teenager, what message does that communicate to ALL of the teenagers in this community regarding our form of government and our vigilance and willingness to defend our organic law (state and federal constitutions)?
While I agree that the police routinely overstep their powers I don't think this is going to be the case to use to stop them.
A stupid kid causing this kind of alarm at a local school isn't going to garner a lot of sympathy.
Instead it will be blown way out of porportion and he'll end up with some type of conviction. Hopefully it's only a misdemeanor.
I'd rather he not post about his experiences here though. Instead he should be dealing with an attorney.
When reading an article like this, it is important not to jump to conclusions. Chris is a good kid who is involved in school. He is an extremely talented musician who you will hear about in the future, in a good way. He is an adolescent male who used bad judgement. What he thought would be a funny joke wasn't. I don't think kids are as tuned into the news as we adults are. I don't think they connect the dots. Please don't think of Chris as anything but a stupid kid who used bad judgement. That is all he is.
Mr. Otto Maddox: Thank you for using what I presume is your real name.
This community must start holding MVPD accountable, especially when the arrested person is a minor or is young. I agree with you that Mr. Egerton should not discuss the incident here, or anywhere else, or with anyone other than his attorney. But if he was arrested, there has to be paperwork and there has to be reasonable cause documented for that arrest.
If Mr. Egerton was cuffed, transported, and booked, this is almost certainly a false arrest, because I see nothing in the Penal Code that could reasonably be implicated given these facts. This community has a civic duty to be vigilant in these situations. The first question that the community should as is, "What is he charged with?" The answer to that question is a matter of public record and revealing it does not compromise his defense and does not frustrate the Court's orderly deliberation of the charges.
This policing agency operates unlawfully. This is likely to be another incident where a false arrest has been made. Take a close look at it, immediately. Hold Chief Scott Vermeer accountable. Wake up to the reality that lies underneath the Disneyland charade.
According to MountainView.Patch
"He was arrested for causing a disturbance on school grounds under penal code section 415.5 PC"
Here is the text for Penal Code 415.5
415.5. (a) Any person who (1) unlawfully fights within any building
or upon the grounds of any school, community college, university, or
state university or challenges another person within any building or
upon the grounds to fight, or (2) maliciously and willfully disturbs
another person within any of these buildings or upon the grounds by
loud and unreasonable noise, or (3) uses offensive words within any
of these buildings or upon the grounds which are inherently likely to
provoke an immediate violent reaction is guilty of a misdemeanor
punishable by a fine not exceeding four hundred dollars ($400) or by
imprisonment in the county jail for a period of not more than 90
days, or both.
(b) If the defendant has been previously convicted once of a
violation of this section or of any offense defined in Chapter 1
(commencing with Section 626) of Title 15 of Part 1, the defendant
shall be sentenced to imprisonment in the county jail for a period of
not less than 10 days or more than six months, or by both that
imprisonment and a fine of not exceeding one thousand dollars
($1,000), and shall not be released on probation, parole, or any
other basis until not less than 10 days of imprisonment has been
(c) If the defendant has been previously convicted two or more
times of a violation of this section or of any offense defined in
Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 626) of Title 15 of Part 1, the
defendant shall be sentenced to imprisonment in the county jail for a
period of not less than 90 days or more than six months, or by both
that imprisonment and a fine of not exceeding one thousand dollars
($1,000), and shall not be released on probation, parole, or any
other basis until not less than 90 days of imprisonment has been
(d) For the purpose of determining the penalty to be imposed
pursuant to this section, the court may consider a written report
from the Department of Justice containing information from its
records showing prior convictions; and the communication is prima
facie evidence of such convictions, if the defendant admits them,
regardless of whether or not the complaint commencing the proceedings
has alleged prior convictions.
(e) As used in this section "state university," "university,"
"community college," and "school" have the same meaning as these
terms are given in Section 626.
(f) This section shall not apply to any person who is a registered
student of the school, or to any person who is engaged in any
otherwise lawful employee concerted activity.
According to the code, he must either be fighting, making loud noises, or use offensive words.
I don't believe any of these apply in this case.
Also, it says that "This section shall not apply to any person who is a registered student of the school". But Chris is a registered student of the school.
I do not believe that Chris actually broke any laws.
I agree with 30yr. This Penal Code section is about fighting, fighting words, and willful and malicious disturbing of another person. It specifically does not apply to a student registered with the school.
This is an example of MVPD enforcing the law incompetently. But don't dismiss this as incompetence. MVPD knows full well that it has no reasonable cause for citing PC 415.5. Standard operating procedure for this policing agency is to take control over a situation and then, after the fact, find the "closest fit" law that would justify, AFTER THE FACT, what the policing agency did, e.g. arrest and imprison.
What some of you did for this situation with Mr. Egerton, I want you to also do with my situation. In the last 10 days of January, I held a sign on a street in a way that violates no Vehicle Code statute. MVPD knows that it can't shut me down with the Vehicle Code, because (1) Commissioner Madden doesn't dare to rubber stamp it because he knows that this time around I will fight such a bogus conviction to the ends of Hell and back, and (2) a traffic infraction doesn't have enough punch to silence me, which is the real objective. So now they are using PC 370/372. This is effective. I have had to move my signs to Palo Alto.
Wake up, people. Be vigilant. Hold MVPD accountable for whatever they did to Mr. Egerton. Hold MVPD accountable for what they've done to silence me. It isn't about Mr. Egerton. It isn't about me. It's about defending the Constitution and showing these young people how our system of government works. It's about government corruption. It's about civic duty and the active vigilance and participation of EVERYONE in the community in self government.
I am a recent graduate from MVHS. I worked with Chris Egerton hand in hand in the music department for 3 consecutive years and I can assure you that Chris is one of the most down to earth, committed and motivated people I know. Chris and I worked on the student leadership music program for two years and took on leadership positions as well as holding a place in office on the Music Student Government. I understand that Chris's actions on Valentine's Day were not well thought through and I am not justifying them whatsoever. However, I do not believe expulsion or criminal charges are appropriate. As an 18 year old and having gone through high school and a bit of college, I know that every teenager will do something without thought, causing serious consequences. I don't know a single adult who can say they never did anything stupid as a child. Although this was a HUGE mistake on Chris's part, I know that this will be the one and only stupid mistake he will make. Chris is one of the most OUTSTANDING musicians I have ever encountered, and as a music major myself, I could not imagine if my future in music was sacrificed because of a harmless prank.
Chris's prank forces me to recall, not one, but four, seriously stupid things that I did when I was a teenager. In one incident, a young man lost his life. In another incident, I very nearly lost my own life. In another incident, a classmate almost lost his life. In the fourth incident, I took my car and drove it fast in a figure eight on a public lawn, ruining it. I am sure that there were many other incidents; they are not listed here only because I am writing to a tight deadline (smile).
Chris's incident did significantly less harm than the least of my four incidents, and it doesn't even register compare with my incident in which a man lost his life.
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