Town Square

Post a New Topic

Police release sketch of burglary suspect

Original post made on Jun 3, 2013

The Mountain View Police Department has released a sketch of a burglary suspect who surprised a napping resident on Thursday. The break-in comes in the wake of a spike in local burglaries.


Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, May 31, 2013, 10:26 PM

Comments (14)

 +   Like this comment
Posted by Craig J.
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jun 3, 2013 at 2:15 pm

Just a matter of time before this creep get's a little 2nd amendment education. Be warned, you come into my house and I'm home, you WILL be looking down the barrel of something, and I'm sure my neighbors have the same exact perspective.


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Mark
a resident of Shoreline West
on Jun 3, 2013 at 2:21 pm

If I catch him in MY home, his remains can be picked up - in pieces - immediately after my shotgun is fired. And I'm SURE he will have picked up one of my steak knives and it will be found in one of his hands (whichever one is easiest to find). SPLAT goes the thief!


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Old Coot
a resident of Rex Manor
on Jun 3, 2013 at 2:33 pm

I'll gladly second those responses. An armed society is a polite society. People who know me know better than to show up unannounced. The consequences would prove downright unhealthy - to the intruder.
Guaranteed 0% recidivism rate.


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Scott Lamb
a resident of Monta Loma
on Jun 3, 2013 at 3:10 pm

Mark: There's being prepared to defend yourself with a firearm when physically threatened, which many would find admirable, and then there's eagerly announcing your intention to kill someone then tamper with evidence to falsely indicate you did so in self-defense, which is way over any kind of legal or ethical line. You might be a little more careful in what you say for a couple reasons:

First, you're reminding me that a lot of pro-gun people in this country are dangerous lunatics, and I'll remember that when voting.

Second, if you actually shoot an intruder in that fashion, perhaps your message will help demonstrate it was premeditated murder rather than justifiable homicide.


 +   Like this comment
Posted by castro mom
a resident of Castro City
on Jun 3, 2013 at 4:36 pm

I don't see anything about premeditation. What he means is after the shotgun is fired, you'd be hard pressed to find remains intact. I think the steak knife in his hands means the robber tried to find a weapon, and that's all he found. Could be wrong--it depends on how you read it. Just my opinion, and that's all. But yes, there are armed lunatics--the ones going into our schools and killing our kids or terrorizing then.


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Hamburger Helper
a resident of The Crossings
on Jun 3, 2013 at 4:43 pm

I think steak knives should be banned.


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Scott Lamb
a resident of Monta Loma
on Jun 3, 2013 at 5:25 pm

Pretty sure he meant whichever *hand* is easiest to find, meaning he'd actually place the knife there after the intruder is shot. I don't like burglars, but I have no patience for these violent vigilante fantasies. We have a justice system in this country. Killing a burglar is disproportionate, and more likely Mark would mistakenly kill a loved one or rescue worker than an actual intruder. (Like Oscar Pistorius may have done.)


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Old Coot
a resident of Rex Manor
on Jun 4, 2013 at 7:03 am

"Killing a burglar is disproportionate..."
So, when does he announce he means not to hurt anyone, just to steal our belongings, or do I find that out some other way?
My belief is that anyone trespassing into my home has basically left any of his rights at the door. He's there at my dispensation, not his.


 +   Like this comment
Posted by S. L.
a resident of Martens-Carmelita
on Jun 4, 2013 at 10:57 am

S. L. is a registered user.

@ Old Coot

I agree with you. I am not going to play host to an intruder...someone's getting detained and arrested or going down and it isn't going to be me.

The second amendment is protection not to be flaunted but respected.


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Scott Lamb
a resident of Monta Loma
on Jun 4, 2013 at 3:39 pm

Old Coot: As I understand the law, in California it's generally legal to kill an intruder while in fear for your life ("justifiable homicide"), and there will be a "rebuttable presumption" that this was your reason. So no, the burglar doesn't need to announce that he intends to hurt you. If common sense tells you you're in danger, you can shoot. (I am not a lawyer, so I can't guarantee my understanding is correct.)

But...I don't think this "rebuttable presumption" would hold up too well after boasting about intending to kill someone and falsify evidence. If you're not actually afraid, killing a burglar is not self-defense; it's grossly disproportionate revenge for the burglary. If you're found out, you will go to prison.


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Just the Facts
a resident of another community
on Jun 5, 2013 at 2:12 am

California, despite its other flaws, has maintained the "Stand Your Ground" doctrine of law for over 100 years now as you can see here:

Wikipedia, Stand your ground: Web Link

Wikipedia, Castle doctrine: Web Link

SFGate article, California courts reaffirm Stand Your Ground: Web Link


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Just the Facts
a resident of another community
on Jun 5, 2013 at 3:34 am

One additional web link to Los Angeles' Loyola Marymount University and Loyola Law School Law Review article (14.4MB, 257 pages) about self-defense in California. Clicking the following web link will bring up a page asking where to save the PDF file.

IX. Self-Defense: Web Link


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Old Coot
a resident of Rex Manor
on Jun 5, 2013 at 2:35 pm

"CALCRIM 506 gives the instruction, "A defendant is not required to retreat. He or she is entitled to stand his ground and defend himself and, if reasonably necessary, to pursue an assailant until the danger ... has passed. This is so even if safety could have been achieved by retreating."

That's the law. My safety and my family's trump the perp's. Basically, unattended "man-traps" are verboten, but eliminating a threat personally is OK.

Fair enough.


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Just the Facts
a resident of another community
on Jun 5, 2013 at 4:38 pm

"Old Coot" is correct. Section 506 is in the document entitled "Judicial Council of California ; Criminal Jury Instructions ; CALCRIM 2013" which is a 10MB, 2456-page PDF document that can be downloaded from the following web link:

calcrim_juryins.pdf: Web Link


Don't miss out on the discussion!
Sign up to be notified of new comments on this topic.

Email:


To post your comment, please click here to Log in

Remember me?
Forgot Password?
or register. This topic is only for those who have signed up to participate by providing their email address and establishing a screen name.

Must we fight for our right to party?
By Jessica T | 8 comments | 1,767 views

Ray Rice and Domestic Violence
By Chandrama Anderson | 16 comments | 1,446 views

Company partners with Coupa Cafe to launch mobile payment app
By Elena Kadvany | 0 comments | 1,445 views

For the Love of Pie
By Laura Stec | 5 comments | 1,046 views

All Parking Permits Should Have a Fee
By Steve Levy | 8 comments | 770 views