Posted by dave, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Dec 10, 2008 at 4:31 pm
the kids who did this are typical teenage [word removed] ... and are usually home with no adult supervision. Problem is they are now old enough to cause real trouble. Lets see if they stay in juvenile jail for more than a week
Posted by OMV Neighbor, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Dec 11, 2008 at 7:43 pm
This behavior is learned. These kids get the idea that their attitude is acceptible from adults who are not thoughtful (or careful) about what they say, do, and write about "aliens". Read the negative comments to this story.
Posted by Jesse, a resident of the Shoreline West neighborhood, on Dec 11, 2008 at 9:33 pm
All of you that are against these kids that did this "crime" - screw you. You don't know these people so don't try to argue against them. This is not what really happened, and it is a lie. Those stupid mexican kids shouted and yelled at them first, trying to act tough ( as all mexicans try to do). These other 3 harmless kids defended themselfs by shouting back. They did NOT use any airsoft gun or chase them down the street. The press and the cops just extended the story and try to go against them, because they're teenagers, and have been confronted before about this crap.
I will prove any of you people wrong that with to argue against me about this.
Get you facts right people before you start to take sides.
Posted by FamilyMan, a resident of the Jackson Park neighborhood, on Dec 11, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Wow Jesse! You are such the role model....How could you defend anyone, regardless of their heritage, when they have so clearly violated the rights of another in such a way that will continue to bring about hatred and spread evil propaganda! What a shame on you... oh wait, I guess your such a great person and highly intellectual....Yeah Right!! "stupid Mexicans"!.. It's people like you that should get educated about what it means to be human and what it means to be civil.
Posted by Ned, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2008 at 9:24 am
Like it or not, we are still talking about kids on both sides of this issue. Just maybe they all acted stupid. I'm a little alarmed by a hate crime being applied to this. There was plenty of childish hate going on when I was in school. Then everyone grew up and learned and got on with their lives.
Posted by Mother, a resident of the Sylvan Park neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Why is everyone so quick to reply when kids do something wrong? Kids still have a chance to correct their mistakes and learn from them. Adults don't. Not one comment was placed regarding the Mountain View man who cold-blooded murdered three co-workers. Three innocent,educated people are DEAD, and not one comment was made. That man had plenty of time to change his mind. He has no remorse. What message are we sending to our Mountain View kids? The people who have commented here about the Mtn. View kids are sexist and warped. Lay off the kids, damn it. AGAIN, NOT ONE COMMENT WAS MADE. AMAZING.
Posted by Jesse, a resident of the Shoreline West neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Hey smart ass, as I said before, you don't know the whole story, you're only reading one side. Maybe listen to the kids who "committed" this "crime". You're all just going against the teenage kids and assuming everything, and only saying how "innocent" the mexican kids are. Listen to the voices of our future leaders, not our future gang members.
Again, I will personally argue against you (and prove you wrong) if any of you want to try and argue back.
Posted by Dave, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Hey Jesse sounds like you might have been in the area when all this happened. Why aren't you in juvenile hall with your buddies then? I don't think any of you guys are cut out to be future leaders, especially since you get off on yelling at 11yr olds from inside your house, then have to use a plastic gun to scare them off. Sounds like a bunch of losers rather than leaders. But then again, you guys might be just what they are looking for to lead some lame group down in Alabama.
Posted by Jesse, a resident of the Shoreline West neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Really Dave? So you also really believe all of this [word removed], also? Those stupid 11 yr olds are the losers here. Telling lies to the cops to get teenagers in trouble? Come on! And then everyone against them, just because that their teens hanging out with each other?
I thought that stupid cops had better things to do then to arrest these kids for almost nothing. Shouldn't they be arresting the kids robbing from banks or dealing drugs?
Let me point out just some of the very many lies that were in the article.
Lie 1: They did not run down the street after them with a plastic gun at all.
Lie 2: The little kids appointed them first and started to yell at them, the teenagers were sticking up for themselves.
Lie 3: Did not yell anything that this crap says they did such as yell "hateful comments related to what they thought was the victims' national origin."
And, I'd be happy to point out more lies if you'd like.
Posted by concerned citizen, a resident of another community, on Dec 13, 2008 at 12:02 am
I would just like to point out that, newspaper writers are supposed to be unbiased but this article only has one point of view, if the opposing opinions had a say then maybe we could get a a better idea of what actually happened... because i think that some things are blown out of proportion and other main points in the story are ignored...
next time i think everyone should look into the situation more before making bold comments about the situation
Posted by MVHS parent, a resident of another community, on Dec 13, 2008 at 8:42 am
I don't know what happened during the incedent,but I do know those 3 teenage boys from Mt. View are trouble, have been doing drugs since jr high, and are now also providing/selling drugs to other kids. They, along with their friends, are known as being druggie loosers at school...and from what I know their parents, who are never around and give the kids complete freedom to do whatever they want, are partially to blame. I know for a fact that these same kids DO make racial slurs at their school...let's not forget that they were arrested for posession of drugs too. They are definitely not innocent here and I'm just glad they were finally busted and are out of our school. Let's also not forget how stupid they were to do this from their own home...everyone involved now knows where they live.
Posted by Mother 0f 3, a resident of the Martens-Carmelita neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2008 at 9:01 am
Kids make mistakes and they learn from them, no matter how they were parented. Every kid grows up to be an adult, just like yourself. Some day these kids will look back at some of the stupid things they have done and most likely regret it. Everybody makes mistakes and just because these kids have made a mistake does not make them any different than you. Lay off these Mountain View kids. Why don't you come up with a solution instead of talking bad about them. If you are positive and understanding, maybe we can forgive these kids and maybe try to encourage them to avoid such conflicts in their future. Let's all work with our youth and try to guide them into our crazy society. I have 3 kids, who are all different. Mistakes have been made by some, but I still love them all the same. Their mistakes certainly do not make me a bad parent. I am guessing that you have made some stupid mistakes in your lifetime because nobody is perfect.
Posted by Mother of 3, a resident of the Martens-Carmelita neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2008 at 9:18 am
CAN I ASK HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE MOUNTAIN VIEW MAN THAT KILLED HIS 3 CO-WORKERS IN COLD BLOOD? HE WAS A GROWN MAN, NOT A TEENAGER. HE HAS A WIFE AND CHILDREN THAT HE ABANDONED FOR HIS CHOICE HE MADE. HE ABRUPTLY TOOK THREE PEOPLE FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON AT THAT. HE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO CHANGE HIS MIND. BUT HE DIDN'T
I FIND IT VERY INTERESTING THAT NOT ONE MOUNTAIN VIEW RESIDENT COMMENTED ON THAT STORY. IS IT BECAUSE IT HAPPENED IN SUNNYVALE? THE MAN LIVED IN MOUNTAIN VIEW BUT YET PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SO QUICK TO COMMENT ABOUT THE KIDS IN MOUNTAIN VIEW.
Posted by MVHS parent, a resident of another community, on Dec 13, 2008 at 9:29 am
yes kids do make mistakes...but ending up in juvinal hall is a little more than a "mistake"! Give me a break!! And I never said they shouldn't get another chance or that their parents don't or shouldn't love them...I just said they got what they deserved and I am glad they are out of our school ~ at least until someone teaches them about their "mistakes"..oops, I meant "CRIMES". One thing we agree I on, mother of three, is that they are stupid kids. Hey, but the silver lining is now they have something to write about for their college application essays when they move forward to be our next "world leaders" as Jessie (another loser) pointed out. Should I say it again in case you didn't hear me the first time GIVE ME A BREAK! They are where everyone knew they would end up...in big trouble...and maybe the police can help them straighten up...because their parents o
obviosly can't/don't. Oh, and one more thing...I never committed a crime, yelled out racial slurs, or got arrested - my mistakes were true mistakes, not hate crimes and drug charges. They might want to look for a new school because I don't think they are going to be welcomed back by the Hispanic community...maybe they should apply to St. Francis.
Posted by MVHS parent, a resident of another community, on Dec 13, 2008 at 9:38 am
Hey disgusted-I didn't comment about it because I didn't know about it! I think that man is a loser too...and statistics show that the three boys will probably end up as adr crimanals too. Maybe you should stop reading all the blogs and start raising your own kids. This is the only blog I have ever replied to because I thought people might want to know these three boys are far from normal teens and have been going down the wrong path for a few years now. They are losers and got what they deserved...and I hope the sunnyvale man does too!
Posted by Dave, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2008 at 9:43 am
So Jesse- yeah I want to know the truth, were you there or not? If not, how do you have so much insight as to what happened? Was one of the boys texting you while it all happened? Maybe one of them has video of the whole incident? Maybe the police would like to see and hear the evidence, so you're talking to the wrong people.
Sounds like your pals weren't very well liked in school or in their neighborhood. Usually, when kids do something this serious,it's been building up for a while and they just weren't caught before.
I agree with the last posting that "mistakes" should not include some of the things these kids are purported to have done. I hope they learn their lesson and looks like the police/social workers are the ones who are going to teach it to them...if they're smart enough to learn something maybe they'll make something of themselves one day.
Posted by Jesse, a resident of the Shoreline West neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2008 at 9:52 am
You guy are all idiots. Seriously. You just think because they paper says that they did this, that they are horrible teens that should spend the rest of their life in prison.
Half of you that are writing this carp are liars, and know nothing about the people out side of this story, or what REALLY happened.
You are just guess that just because they had drugs; they are drug dealers and do them all the time. Let me tell you - you're wrong. And, I don't give a crap if any of you are an MVSH parent, because you probably still don't know them and have never met them. Plus, they got some of that info wrong, but I'm not going to point it out, because if you guys know the real story you would find it easily.
Oh, I don't give a donkey crap who you are - MVSH parent, mother of 3, or whoever - I'll still prove you wrong! I would really like to put some of you in juvenile hall, for something that you didn't even do, and see how you feel.
Posted by mvnewbie, a resident of the Waverly Park neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2008 at 9:53 am
My first thought is, "And we just moved to Mountain View...for this?"
I blame the teenage kids' parenting (or lack thereof). There is no way my son would be sitting up at home alone with friends with drugs and a BB gun--period. There is no excuse.
What's more...where did these kids learn so much hate? All it takes is just one bigot (possibly a parent). If you don't teach your children about racial equality, they will learn the opposite from someone else. Here is the result.
There seems to be a lot of tension on this board--but no one has offered a solution.
FIRST, more parental involvement. ALL of the kids (regardless of who did what) involved and their guardians should be required to do some form of people-oriented community work in one another's neighborhoods. Go to one another's churches or community centers, read books to elementary school kids, volunteer at elder care centers--ALL TOGETHER.
SECOND, my kid will attend MV High someday and I don't want stoners there--they need to find a way to test students for drugs with a no tolerance policy. Say what you will about personal rights and what not, but prevention is always cheaper than correction. If my kid was in high school and *did nothing* but just go to school, well, that would be my first red flag. Again, parents need a clue.
THIRD, whomever brought the BB gun into the situation needs a stiff lesson in what can happen with guns--deadly or imaginary. I'm sure there is a repository of gory pictures with sad gun stories attached to them--that ought to get the message across. And if the kid is sadistic and has no remorse, then a follow up what happens to young men in prison ought to wake him up.
I recently read about a would-be robber holding up a store with pointed fingers and a paper bag, and subsequently ending up with someone calling his bluff--instant death penalty. Even if you do not care about other people, if you value your own life in any way, you will not threaten others with guns. These kids ought to know better, but then again...where were the parents?
The same parents that should have taught these kids about racial equality should have also taught them about gun control.
One last comment--I was raised by one of the most bigoted persons I ever knew--my father. He also owned several guns. From an early age, he taught us never to touch them and what the guns were for--we never went near them. He also taught us a very skewed view of the world around us when it came to race--and we believed him.
For many years, we had a lot of hate in our family--so I know exactly what these teenagers could have grown up with. Only when I went to college did I see a different view of the world. I went back home and it was hard, but I actually taught my father differently. He is now no longer a bigot, but one of the most accepting, kind, decent human beings I know. He has a biracial grandson and is the perfect grandfather to him, and a wonderful father-in-law. You can teach an old dog new tricks.
So some new learning is needed--for the teenagers and the parents. And, in a way, perhaps years from now once the anger has dissipated and the perpetrators have learned differently--all the kids will look back and realize how blessed they are...because this situation could have ended up so much worse than it actually did.
Posted by mother of 3, a resident of the Martens-Carmelita neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2008 at 10:27 am
Before you open your mouth again, my kids have been grown for eighteen+ years now. I am done raising kids. Juvenile Hall is not a place any child should be sent to. What about rehabilitation instead of keeping them in the system. Juvenile Hall turns kids into animals, not adults. Oh, and the Sunnyvale man happens to be a Mountain View man. Wake up.
Posted by Lisa, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2008 at 10:56 am
Hey mvnewbie- sorry to burst your bubble, but this sort of things happens all over the place. And if you don't want you kids to face "stoners" in high school...you better start home schooling them. Not being mean...just real.