Police draw ire for public drunkenness arrests Around Town, posted by Editor, Mountain View Voice Online, on Sep 15, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Police and a handful of local residents hold divergent opinions about what happened late last Friday after officers responded to a noise complaint at 242 Bush Street and wound up arresting three people.
Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 7:36 PM
Posted by earlytorise, a resident of the Castro City neighborhood, on Sep 15, 2009 at 11:21 pm
The band ends their practices at 10pm? That's neighborly indeed.
This situation sounds like a bit of a misunderstanding that got out of hand. I'm glad no one was charged.
I sure wish the local shopping centers would be so neighborly and stop scheduling the use of leaf blowers and other noisy cleaning equipment, in their parking lots near residences, after 10pm! I've been woken up after midnight a number of times by that racket. I wish there was some way to stop them from "disturbing the peace".
Posted by Ned, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Sep 16, 2009 at 7:40 am
Since when is it a crime to ask why you should sit down when a police officer tells you too? Especially if you've done nothing wrong. Typical MV police attitude. Terrible example of effective policing. Welcome to MV.
Posted by Concerned Citizen, a resident of the Shoreline West neighborhood, on Sep 16, 2009 at 10:27 am
Another example of the boys in blue's "do what I say, not what I do" mentality. The officers in our cities that think "they are the law", are the ones who give the good officers a bad name. You are not the law, you are servants of the law and should act accordingly. I want criminals to be locked up too, but there needs to be more acountability from our public servants. Take a look at how much money is wasted every year in our country by cities settling lawsuits brought against the police, it's astounding! If an officer steps over the line just one time, he or she should be fired instantly.
Posted by close reader, a resident of another community, on Sep 16, 2009 at 12:10 pm
USA's assumption of the young men being "drunk, uncooperative, and back talking" is disputed by the arrestees. But he gives himself away by noting that among the reasons they were arrested is the fact that they lived in a "trashy apartment complex in an otherwise nice neighborhood." This is classic rich man's elitism: only people who live in nice places in nice neighborhoods deserve respectful treatment by the cops.
Posted by USA, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Sep 16, 2009 at 2:00 pm USA is a member (registered user) of Mountain View Online
close reader -- If you don't like "trashy apartment" drive down Bush and pick you own descriptive phrase.
As far as "classic rich man's elitism", I cannot help you there. In the last 25 years, the police have not had one call from our neighborhood. I suppose that is due to our lack of drunk, uncooperative, and back talking people living in a trashy apartment complex in our otherwise nice neighborhood.
Posted by reader, a resident of another community, on Sep 16, 2009 at 2:30 pm
All this Voice article does is state that "these guys said this" and "those guys said that" and since NONE of us were there to see what actually DID occur between the police officers and the residents, the ONLY thing people can say on this forum is what they THINK happened based on their prior biases towards or against police officers and "young people who drink in their front yard, play music, and have unconventional appearances." If there is a photo of the "detainees" in the newspaper tomorrow, then we can all form opinions about them based on their appearance!
Posted by JYU, a resident of another community, on Sep 16, 2009 at 2:40 pm
If you don't like police behavior, take it up with the Mountain View City Council. I have communicated with them before and they are conscientious, responsive, people. Documenting such police behavior with a cell-phone (or other) video works wonders.
Posted by Owen Johnston, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Sep 16, 2009 at 3:18 pm
I'm glad that this issue is being discussed publicly, as well as privately. We are setting up a camera and microphone, so if this happens again we will have a recording of it. There will be no more "he said, she said." We are, however, getting written statements about the event from people who witnessed it all. Some of the witnesses were sober at the time.
Check out the nice garden we have in front of the place. We can do things with the dirt, not the building we don't own.
Posted by USA, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Sep 16, 2009 at 4:01 pm USA is a member (registered user) of Mountain View Online
close reader -- I am in no way agreeing with you. You and a few others seem to have a problem with police and I assume other authority figures "dissing" you. This is not about respect. It is about law.
If you are loud, drunk, and obnoxious, the police are going to come down on you. You don't like that? Then, don't be loud, drunk, and obnoxious.
Posted by out of towner, a resident of another community, on Sep 16, 2009 at 4:26 pm
"Some of the witnesses were sober at the time."
Even the article suggests some people were not cooperative. Not everyone was arrested. As usual with drinking involved, some individuals have a tough time figuring things out like swearing, loudness, cooperating etc. This will go nowhere.
Posted by DP - former neighbor, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Sep 16, 2009 at 4:39 pm
We used to live near the complex and they are nice guys. It's true they had band practice and it usually stopped at 10:00. They are actually a tight community and looked after each other. Sure, you needed to accommodate a bit of noise from them during some of their parties, but it was rarely on work/school nights so it wasn't a problem. But they worked hard to be good neighbors and still have fun. Too bad about the arrests.
Posted by kanan k, a resident of the Shoreline West neighborhood, on Sep 16, 2009 at 5:06 pm
I never had any issue with MV police and my encounters with them is atleast a decade old. They were definitely nice to me. I am sure they are responsible for maintaining the safety and security of this town/city. Not sure why they go there and arrests people if none complained..Ofcourse . they definitely have the right to go and check if they hear something when they are driving by. Every citizen needs to be respectful to the officers when they are questioned anything. I wish one of the police had video taped the whole thing since there were 10 of them..so that everyone can understand on what happened. It is also important that police officers understand that the citizens have civil rights and don't use their powers to trample and undermine those rights. Because the police officers are ordinary citizens themselves when they are not in their uniforms.
Posted by Owen Johnston, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Sep 16, 2009 at 7:52 pm
You should read through, and process the information from the article before posting. I was there and what the police said, is not quite the truth. The police wrote it up to not sound as if there was "misconduct."
Posted by Lupita Villador, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Sep 16, 2009 at 8:29 pm
I live next door to everyone involved and I can tell you for a fact that the police over-reacted to a very peaceful gathering, for a friend that was recently admitted to UC Davis. The police were WAY too ready to arrest people without probable cause. The people involved were all willing to cooperate with the police up until the moment the police became belligerent with all parties involved. No one actually shouted obscenities up until the moment that they were arrested.
Posted by Katherine Shur, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Sep 16, 2009 at 9:02 pm
I did not witness the event, but as a character witness I can say that I know everyone who was arrested is a likable, contributing member of our community. I suspect that no obscenities were shouted at the officers prior to the arrests, and this is what residents have said.
I am glad that the charges have been dropped.
I resent the comment about calling lawyer mother to get off the hook; perhaps that's how it reads, but the lawyer's son was not arrested, actually, but a concerned resident of the apartment complex.
I have always known said complex to be safe and respectful.
I thank the community for giving this attention. The only thing between freedom and a police state is the peoples' voice.
Posted by close reader, a resident of another community, on Sep 16, 2009 at 9:54 pm
USA - you're being dense, so I'll repeat myself: your assumption of the young men being "drunk, uncooperative, and back talking" is disputed by the arrestees.
Scroll back up and read the first-person accounts of non-stakeholding witnesses, like Lupita Villador, and you'll see how very thoroughly and convincingly disputed I mean.
Or you won't! because you see only what you want to see. Some people wouldn't believe the time of day unless a cop told them.
Naturally, you assume the motives behind all my opinions here are because I have some childish problem with "authority figures." Again, you assume wrong. I AM an authority figure. Literally, I am friends with cops. They're just people. Sometimes people screw up.
"This is not about respect, it is about law." It is about both, friend. Kanan K got it right.
Posted by Lupita Villador, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Sep 16, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Obviously Jack doesn't know what he's talking about. I have lived in my complex over sixteen years and in all that time I have only had positive experiences with the parties involved. In my point of view, the police obviously over-reacted to a "noise complaint" and should have shown much better judgement. Jack needs to read all comments before posting such an asinine remark. By the way, the incident occured on September 4, 2009 not September 11, 2009.
Posted by Owen Johnston, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Sep 18, 2009 at 1:59 pm
I would like to know about Ms.Wylies' statement of "making poor decisions for yourself." Who gets to decide what decisions are poor for whom? If my friend likes Pepsi and I order a Sprite, they might think that I made a poor decision. Do the police get to determine when someone is making poor decisions for themselves? That is exactly how it sounded to me. We are all individuals with our own individual preferences.
Posted by Tom Lear, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Sep 19, 2009 at 11:55 pm
I'd like to point out that in the other incident referenced by the author the story says the party "had drawn three noise complaints" and that "two officers responded to the final complaint", which seems reasonable... In this case there were 9 police vehicles blocking the street before a single officer stepped on our property for the first "theoretical" complaint.
Posted by Eshan, a resident of the Rex Manor neighborhood, on Sep 20, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Ellen Wheeler just loves to let everyone know she's lawyer. It gets a little old after a while. Maybe she needs to go find a practice to start practicing law at rather than getting involved here. There are much better causes worth fighting for.