Posted by Cuesta Park mom, a resident of the Cuesta Park neighborhood, on Feb 16, 2012 at 3:03 pm
I was at the meeting. It is a complicated situation, with the requirements for buildings to be used for high schoolers. It seemed that the Board was leaning towards creating a community task force to work towards finding the best place for the high-risk teens AND to try to preserve the highly regarded Parent Observation program. I do feel that given that the center for teens has moved every few years, and Parent Observation has been on its site for more than a decade (I took my now 16-year-old son there when he was 2), it would be a shame to displace Parent Observation, then find that the day school for high-risk teens does not work out. I do understand that as a high school district, grades 9 - 12 are a priority. I think a community task force might be able to come up with solutions, such as perhaps putting a portable classroom (that would meet the Field Act standards) somewhere for the teens.
Posted by margaret, a resident of the Willowgate neighborhood, on Feb 16, 2012 at 3:07 pm
I hope that the district will do the sensible thing - find a home for both Parent Observation and the other school. It shouldn't have to be one or the other, especially with all of the space on the high school campus. Early childhood education paired with parent education decreases kids being at risk; it doesn't make sense to eliminate one of the things that decreases the number of teenagers at risk. It would make sense to invest in early childhood/parent education programs for families who are 'at risk', rather than eliminate those programs. Let's not be so shortsighted!
Posted by Frustated, a resident of the Stierlin Estates neighborhood, on Feb 16, 2012 at 3:16 pm
I happen to live on the side of town in which this school is located. We were never given the respect of having a "town meeting" to address the issue of the Terra Bella Academy being plopped right down near our neighborhood. Nor were we ever given any kind of notice at all that it was going to be arriving here. One day we just started seeing kids in jeans and white shirts at the local park taking part in their version of "P.E.". See, we are on the "other side of the tracks", where our opinions don't really matter and our property values aren't as high. The majority of you who bought houses in your neighborhood did so with the full knowledge that there was a school nearby, and that you would have to deal with issues relating to having unruly teenagers driving and or walking by. Not so with us. We lived here with the knowledge that there was no such thing close to us. Now you may argue that other things came later. Well, welcome to the real world. Apparently things happen that are beyond our control. We've had break-ins, too. Can we blame them on the kids? Sure. But chances are also good that it was an adult. We are so tired of hearing about all of you on "the other side of the tracks" whining whenever something comes along that threatens your sense of well-being, or fairness, or your property values when we are rarely even given the option of voicing concerns over here. And when and if we are, our thoughts and concerns are rarely taken into account since we aren't in an area with a whole bunch of influential, "moneyed" constituents. But guess what? We are just like you with concerns for our families and the general well-being of our own neighborhoods and schools. But since the only time you ever happen to wander by is when you have to play soccer at a field over here, or perhaps want to go to Shoreline Park or the amphitheater, you may not know any of us. I sympathize with the concerns about losing your preschool, but you were leased that sight for over 40 years, and it doesn't belong to you. Consider yourselves blessed that you were allowed to stay for so very long, and instead of wringing your hands and saying "woe is me", get out there and look for another location. Maybe you could find something available over here. There are a lot of available buildings that could possibly be used. Yes, this happened fast, but life doesn't always go the way you would like it to. Just ask those of us over here, on the "other side of the tracks" - we know all too well how things oftentimes don't work out the way that we'd like them to. But we still feel blessed because we have a roof over our heads and food on the table. Maybe it's time to re-evaluate how you look at things. It's all in the attitude. If you feel angry and upset over this situation, and can't see past it, then it will eat at you and make you bitter. But if you look at all the things that you are blessed with, it will seem just a little less life-altering. Just my thoughts. You all will obviously do what you are used to doing. I just think that maybe it's time to take a step back and be grateful for what you do have.
Posted by Clarifying, a resident of another community, on Feb 16, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Stierlin Estates, nobody is wringing their hands. Hundreds of people are searching for a constructive solution for all the kids involved -- those in Terra Bella and those in the preschool -- right now. Part of the concern about relocating the preschool is that it will be very expensive for the district to dismantle and rebuild the preschool playground; find a new space for the preschool; make whatever changes are necessary to the preschool to make it suitable for Terra Bella; and change the building again when Terra Bella moves on in a few years (it tends to move every 2-3 years). Another serious set of concerns is locating the Terra Bella kids, some of whom are violent, as you know, within spitting distance of a regular high school, an alternative high school which is turning the lives of many at-risk kids around, and a second preschool which would remain in its place after these changes happen. Some of the Terra Bella population is dangerous, and putting TB right next to all those other kids just isn't a prudent decision. Several board members agree strongly with this point of view.
It is real disappointment, though, that the district is, so far, not appearing to offer real assistance to the preschool that has been a gem in our community for over 40 years. Other than an unspecific suggestion for a task force to be formed, there was no offer to help the preschool find an alternate space in the meeting on Monday night. Vaguely saying, "perhaps they could find a new space" for the newspaper in the aftermath is hardly a rousing show of support. The preschool returns some amount of funds, some of which come straight from enrolled parents, to the district during many school years. The district is benefiting from the preschool financially in that immediate way, as well as in the long term, since research shows that high-quality early education leads to better educational results (and less need for programs like the continuation high school) in the long run. The district says they're proud of the preschool; I hope they give legs to that sentiment by actively seeking alternatives that would give the Terra Bella kids what they need, without closing the preschool.
The preschool enrollment period is happening right now. If a solution is not found, inquiring parents will have to enroll elsewhere if they want to be sure their child will be part of some preschool program this fall. It's easy to say the preschool should move, but realistically, moving means closing. A suitable new space cannot be found, rent negotiated, the building and playground renovated, the new school advertised and filled with new enrollees who aren't already enrolled elsewhere, all in the short time period between now and this fall. If the district or county could have warned the preschool this change was coming back in September, there would have been more of a chance. At this point we all need to work together to find solutions that will work for everyone's kids.
Posted by Frustated, a resident of the Stierlin Estates neighborhood, on Feb 16, 2012 at 6:15 pm
I understand your points, and of course am sympathetic to the hard work involved in moving the school. However, I must make a point about your comment that placing the Terra Bella kids withing "spitting distance" of the high school, etc., is bad because these kids are dangerous. Of course they're dangerous - why do you think those of us over here are so upset that they've been here, and without the benefit of any of this concern. We have a preschool run from a home here - and the owner had to adjust her schedule to accommodate the 2 different P.E. class times that they spent lounging, often-times in the playground (until recently), while they were allegedly playing basketball, etc. The "teachers" spent the entire time talking while not paying one iota of attention to them. We are unable to make use of our neighborhood playground and park during this time. We have many children in this neighborhood, but apparently in your mind, since we don't have "schools", our concerns aren't valid. Believe me, I also wish that the district had been given more notice, but they weren't, so they have to deal with this difficult situation in the best possible way. Unfortunately, there are no easy answers for anyone, and any decision that is made will undoubtedly cause problems for one or both parties. My point was that it is a decision that does have to be made, time is definitely of the essence for everyone involved, and minimizing what we have dealt with, without the benefit of the concern that is being shown to everyone currently involved, is unfair and thoughtless. Again, no one seems to care about our neighborhood or kids. And, yes, there is significant hand-wringing going on - just read the comments in the article. And that is only a smattering. You are worried, and rightfully so, about the impact that this will all have on your neighborhood, crime rates, and the possible loss of a very important service to the community. I get that. What you don't seem to get is that we would have had the same concerns had we been given the respect and information that they have given to all of you. I don't know what else to say. I am not trying to be inconsiderate. I am just getting a bit tired of the support that seems to be available to you, even though you don't seem to think it's there, versus the lack thereof for us. Whatever happens, I have no doubt that the district will do what they can to help with the transition. Yes, it's a difficult situation and seems insurmountable right now. But at least you got the benefit of notification so that you can plan accordingly. Hundreds of people can now do whatever it takes to make positive things happen. When communities of people are given the information that is necessary to make changes, they can come together and accomplish amazing things. Take advantage of the information that was given to you. You have the opportunity that was never given to us.
Posted by Reader, a resident of the Cuernavaca neighborhood, on Feb 16, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Taking away an amazing program like the Parent Observation Program could produce more of these high risk teens in the future. Many studies show that early learning programs help kids succeed and stay on the right track through school.
Also, I agree that placing high risk teens next door to the larger high school is a step in the wrong direction for students at both schools. For the high risk teens, it may be a walk of shame to pass by other students and go to their corner of campus. While some may say this is a good thing, I disagree. I think that sort of atmosphere will either make the teens drop out of the program altogether or foster bad feelings which could end up with fights or bullying breaking out.
For the residents of Waverley Park, it will affect your property values. I know that is a NIMBY argument but it is, what it is. The fact of the matter is that I would not buy a house near such a center, or at least I would not want to pay Waverley Park level prices for such a house. Stories like this one come to mind: Web Link
Posted by mom of three, a resident of another community, on Feb 16, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Thank you for sharing your story. Isn't it great to have a place to share with the community? I had no idea that the teens from Terra Bella would overtake the park during P.E. Was anyone able to talk with the teachers or administrators from the school to share your concerns about the preschoolers? What was their reaction? It makes me even more nervous that they are planning to put them right next door to another preschool.
But why are you are complaining about parents who are voicing their concerns through the proper channels? You have the same option as everyone else. Parents and neighbors attended the school board meeting once they heard of the plans. It is a public meeting and everyone is welcome. If you have concerns of the high school in your neighborhood, no one is stopping you from sharing those concerns. You could have come to the same meeting and voiced your support for the move...then the students would be out of your neighborhood. Maybe you didn't receive advanced notice because you don't pay attention to the school board meetings.
Posted by posted by parent, a resident of the Old Mountain View neighborhood, on Feb 16, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Get this one. At least your patents were notified about the closing of both places. Our students patents have not been treated with same respect. These parents have not been notified by the district at all. Why because we are Latinos and our students are not straight A students.
Posted by Frustated, a resident of the Stierlin Estates neighborhood, on Feb 16, 2012 at 11:36 pm
mom of three,
I'm sorry if I was complaining about the parents voicing their concerns. You're right, they have every right to voice their concerns as well. However, I am coming from a place of major frustration over the unfairness of it all. We were never even given the opportunity to be able to go to a board meeting and voice anything when they opened the school. And yes, I have followed board meetings for years, but my children have long since graduated, and I didn't see the point. Over the years I have witnessed every entity in the city cater to the needs of the Waverly Park neighborhood. Anything that even remotely smacked of disrupting the idyllic life of those that live there was immediately put up for discussion and votes. And invariably the neighborhood either won or had many concessions made to them. Can you blame me for becoming extremely jaded?
And in response to your comment that I could have come to the meeting and fought to have the school moved. Really? I would have been the only one there, the board would have paid zero attention to me, or anyone from over here, and the neighbors would have boo'd me from the room. Tell me I'm wrong. I've dealt with those neighbors for years and some of them can be brutal. There was no way going to that meeting was going to be productive, and it would have only served to put a bulls-eye on my back. You know that I'm right. There is a sense of entitlement that goes along with living there, and the city has fed into it. No one is ever going to be treated as well from over here. We weren't even given the respect of letting us know that the school was coming here, remember?
But you give it all you've got. Fight for what you want. I have no doubt the the district will suddenly "see the light" and come up with a solution that will make all of you happy, per their usual way of doing business. The precious preschool will be allowed to stay, and the Terra Bella school will magically end up on "the wrong side of the tracks" yet again, probably with the comment that most of the kids live here anyway, so it will save on busing. So don't lose any sleep over this. You are all most likely safe. Just mark my words.
And in answer to your question, yes, we did go to the administrators and asked them why they were at the park and that we preferred that they didn't have P.E. there because of the children. Their answer was that they didn't have adequate room to have a Physical Education class so the park was convenient for them. And no, they weren't going to stop using it, even if there were children present. I guess that the lease was signed so quickly and quietly that things like that didn't have time to be addressed, so they had to come up with their own answers. Lucky us, huh?
So, relax and sleep well at night. It has been my experience that the residents of Waverly Park almost always get what they want.
Posted by Reader, a resident of the Cuernavaca neighborhood, on Feb 17, 2012 at 1:05 am
Frustrated - it's not just the squeaky wheel residents that get what they want, but the city needs the tax revenues from the properties owned by those residents. If they devalue their properties by putting a high risk juvenile facility in the neighborhood, then the house values will drop, and the tax revenues will drop with them.
Who is going to pay a million plus for a house next door to a "high risk teen" school? What about the residents of the Los Altos neighborhood that is right across the street from the high school? Do they get a say? Did they get invited to the board meeting? Their house values are at risk too.
How about putting the facility next to Google? Maybe bumping elbows with billionaires will inspire the kids to hit the books more.
Posted by Frustrated , a resident of the Stierlin Estates neighborhood, on Feb 17, 2012 at 8:31 am
While what you say has a little bit of merit, I will have to ask you why Alta Vista was placed there. Following your logic, it should also have a similar outcome. And if you were truly following my posts, you would also see that my main issue has been the lack of respect shown to neighbors over here versus putting the issue on your district meeting docket and actually listening to you. And I also mentioned that I have watched over the many years that all my kids went to MVHS, and whenever a perceived problem came up, the city took care of it pronto, in their favor. And the majority of the time there were no "property values" as an issue.
Posted by Concerned, a resident of the Waverly Park neighborhood, on Feb 17, 2012 at 2:46 pm
One thing I would like to clear up is that NO NOTIFICATION was given to the neighborhood or the parents of schools in MVLA School District so there is no bias here. In fact, no one in my neighborhood was aware of this issue until I personally went around and knocked on doors. I was only aware of this because my son attends Parents Observation and we were told by the administration last Friday. So no - we were not give the benefit of advance notice. It just so happens that the individuals this effects have decided to speak up about it.
And while I am going to fight this, I do not think this will end in the favor of Waverly Park residents. The school board is not doing anything to show that they are trying to find another solution.
I can understand the frustration for those living near Terra Bella right now but there are other options besides staying where they are and moving to Waverly Park. Busing the students to the San Jose location in existence is something I would like more information about. Or if we want to be completely fair, you can send each student back to their original school and let them work their way through the school system again while we have some time to work out a better solution.
Posted by John, a resident of the Waverly Park neighborhood, on Feb 17, 2012 at 4:46 pm
I live in Waverly Park, and I think it's fine to locate Terra Bella here at MVHS. They have to locate Terra Bella somewhere. Why not here? Are we the residents of Waverly Park too special to have a school like Terra Bella here? I think not.
Let's work together as a community and find a way to help the students of Terra Bella and welcome them here. We need to stop being part of the Not-in-my-backyard (NIMBY) problem and be part of the solution.
I thinks it's a shame that Concerned thinks that we should send the Terra Bella students back into the system just because it doesn't fit Concern's schedule. It's shameful to the rest of us Waverly Park residents. Shame on us.
I also don't buy all this speculation that our property values will decline because of Terra Bella. It sounds too much like an excuse to just say NIMBY.
Posted by Frustrated, a resident of the Stierlin Estates neighborhood, on Feb 17, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Thank you John. I was losing faith once again. Young are a voice of reason in the Waverly Park neighborhood. NIMBY is something that we are all too familiar with over here - been dealing with it for a long time. Thank you.
Posted by Reader, a resident of the Cuernavaca neighborhood, on Feb 17, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Well, as a potential buyer of a house in Waverley Park (I've been visiting the new development on the old farm), I have suddenly lost quite a bit of interest in those properties because of this proposal. For $1.5 million and up plus the $15k in property taxes each year, I would not want to buy into a neighbourhood where my kids are running into gang members, where my Fedex deliveries are disappearing from my front porch, and where my house is constantly being eyed as a target for break-ins. That is what money does, it gives you a better life. If you disagree, then maybe you're living in wrong country. Sorry, but again I tell the way I see it even if it is politically incorrect. It's my money and I'll be a NIMBY so long as I can afford to be.
Frustrated, I do feel your pain. I have not always been in this place in life and have lived in neighbourhoods where my house was robbed, my car stolen, and my pets killed. I think we all deserve a voice in this. Frustrated, I hope there is a solution that can suit us all. You and yours deserve the best too and I think Mountain View should work a lot harder to make sure that happens.
Posted by John, a resident of the Waverly Park neighborhood, on Feb 17, 2012 at 8:25 pm
You are quite naive to think that when things get worse in Mt View that people won't rob you in Waverly Park whether or not Terra Bella is housed at MVHS. Do you really think only houses around Terra Bella are robbed? Just look to our northern neighbor Palo Alto; they have even more crime in the fancy parts vs the poor parts! Same with Atherton and Hillsborough. I'm a Mt View native and grew up here in the 70s-80s. I can tell you from experience that when the gangs really come back, you won't be any safer in Waverly Park than on the other side of El Camino. I know you want to believe so, but just because you want it doesn't make it true.
You can try all you want to insulate yourself and your NIMBY attitude but in the end, it won't help you escape what you are afraid of.
Here's a reality check for you: If you are looking to only spend $1.5M in the Bay Area, you don't have enough money to insulate yourself from the trash. You need at least $5M and a private security detail 24x7 if you want to stay "safe". Besides if you are truly wealthy, your hired domestic help is there to receive your fedex packages!
Posted by John, a resident of the Waverly Park neighborhood, on Feb 17, 2012 at 8:33 pm
I forgot to add that I'm all for capitalism. In fact, I'm happy for capitalism because I've made enough for my family and grandkids for their lifetimes. However, money can't buy happiness and security. It can buy you the freedom to explore your potential and opportunities to do great things. I'm sad for those with NIMBY attitudes which are self-limiting and fearful; they will never be happy and successful in life.
Posted by Reader, a resident of the Cuernavaca neighborhood, on Feb 17, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Hi John, I'm not wealthy but just a step better than I use to be. If every time I scope out a new and better life for my family, the city buts in and re-zones it to install a "high risk" teen center, then let's just hand over all our power to the government and let them do whatever they like. Sure, stick a prison over there too. How about a nuclear power plant while they're at it. Like a bunch of fools, we'll buy it and pay more to live next to it. I am sorry you think I am sad and pathetic person for defending property owner rights. It is very noble and selfless to say such things. Remember you are now a grandfather who raised his children in a very different Mountain View. I have young children to raise, and I will fight tooth and nail to make sure they are safe. Call me NIMBY if you like, but I'll proudly wear that scarlet letter if it means that hard work and savings still mean something in this world and can get a person a little leg up in life.
Posted by Frustated, a resident of the Stierlin Estates neighborhood, on Feb 17, 2012 at 10:43 pm
I have to agree with John and his take on things. Your alarmist attitude is quite sad. A prison? Really? A nuclear power plant? Again, really? You will never be truly safe in this world, and to think otherwise is a dream. But you go right ahead and dream on if that's what gets you through the day. But I hope that for your children's sake, you don't pass this sentiment on. They will grow up to be self important and think that the world owes them. They will also be afraid of their own shadows. I'm very happy that my children have grown up to work hard and know that they can accomplish anything that they set their minds too. They are also fully aware that the world is inherently a scary place and they take care in what they do. I hope that you enjoy wearing your "scarlet letter". Being a NIMBY is such an honorable title. I'm "sad" to say that my family just can't do it. All I've been trying to do with my posts is show that there is a very definite line between neighborhoods "over there" and the ones "over here". Waverly Park is treated with kid gloves and it's wrong. But clearly a majority of people "on the other side of the tracks, or, better yet, the other side of El Camino, have the ears of anyone who matters so that they can continue their smug feeling of superiority. I'm so glad that this is an anonymous wall, since I would be so very disappointed to find out that I actually knew you. Good luck in your quest to find your "leg up" in life. I hope for your sake someone who is a caring, giving individual is there to catch you when you inevitably fall.
Posted by Reader, a resident of the Cuernavaca neighborhood, on Feb 18, 2012 at 11:11 am
Frustrated - you assume I live there but all I said was that I won't buy into that neighborhood, or maybe even Mountain View at all. Like I said, I don't have much money but what I have I will invest wisely in a place where the government won't pull a bait and switch. Why should I pay more for house in Waverely Park? What is the justification for the higher priced homes over there? I just might go and save myself $500k and buy a house "on the other side of the tracks". I can spend that $500k to give myself -as you say - the illusion of safety in this oh so scary world. As far as my wild examples, they were just to boost my argument that the city government seems to be doing whatever it likes, even in your neighborhood. That is wrong in my book, Please tell me we can at least all agree on that much?
Posted by Diana, a resident of the Rex Manor neighborhood, on Feb 19, 2012 at 10:18 am
I live in Rex Manor but have enjoyed participating in Parent Observation over the last 3 years. This is such a great preschool and parent education program open to all; there are people from surrounding cities that attend, too. I am not sure that moving Terra Bella (TB) next to Alta Vista HS and Mountain View HS, where many TB students have already been through and somehow been a poor fit for those programs, is a great idea. I am especially saddened that Parent Observation would have to somehow find a new location so quickly. I would love to have the board look into other possible locations, and perhaps give Parent Observation more time to find another location. We need a plan!
Posted by Margie, a resident of the Blossom Valley neighborhood, on Feb 19, 2012 at 8:35 pm
We attend Parent Observation now and plan to attend Mountain View Parent Nursery School in the coming year. As far as I know, there are no other programs in Mountain View like these, where child and parent attend together and are both benefitting from the experience. We have had a wonderful year and have learned so much.
I attended the board meeting last week and understand that this is a very complicated and political issue. I just hope that the board will find a win-win solution, where the Terra Bella students can receive their education in an appropriate environment and the two preschools can remain in their existing locations providing their invaluable programs to our community.
If other readers are interested in helping, please sign the petition at:
Posted by Frustated, a resident of the Stierlin Estates neighborhood, on Feb 20, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Wow. A petition now. Not surprised that it's basis is MoveOn.org. All I can say is that NIMBY is definitely alive and well and living in Waverly Park. Guess what? We didn't have any situations where our neighbor's "lives were endangered". And, yes, you did pay top dollar to live there. That's why every concern that residents pose is always taken care of. I am, and have always been, disheartened by the attitudes of people in your neighborhood. It's always been "us and them" to you. I'll bet you're so fearful of "bad" neighborhoods - and by "bad" I mean those of us over here across El Camino, that you rarely allow your children to have play dates here, do you? Of course not - you don't hobnob with anyone but your own. Well, I can tell you that many of my kids closest friends live over here, and they are hard working, caring, intelligent people. And none of them were "endangered" by the Terra Bella kids. Some of you should be embarrassed and ashamed for your comments. As John put it earlier - why not Waverly Park? Well, I guess John got his answer. Because there is an inherent selfishness and status quo mentality in Waverly Park. I can say with complete honesty that I would never buy a house there. I would be too embarrassed and it would go against the things that I believe in - the top of which is that I would not want my kids to have the feeling of self entitlement and the thoughts that they are better than other people. Right now they are graduated, functioning members of society who care about others no matter if they go to a "bad" school or not. That to me is a much more important lesson than seeing your parents say that they would move before they would stay in a neighborhood with "those kids" moving in. Heaven help you all if your precious children decide to be in the field of social work and feel the nudge to move into East L.A. Oh, but that would probably never happen since you've instilled such high moral ground in their impressionable minds. Congratulations. As I said in an earlier post, I have no doubt that your ground roots effort will not go unnoticed. Since Waverly Park always has things go their way, I see no reason for this to be any different. Your NIMBY attitude, combined with your loud and brash ways, will undoubtedly steer things in your favor. Don't have premature heart attacks over this situation yet. Mountain View will do what it always does - back down in the face of it's constituents from Waverly Park who know with certainty that they are deserving of better.
Posted by mom of three, a resident of another community, on Feb 20, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Instead of trying to come up with a solution, you seem to be hell-bent on putting down the residents of Waverly Park. I notice you even make derogatory comments about them to people who are not residents of Waverly Park. Then you accuse them of being bitter and that they need to readjust their attitude. Interesting.
Also, many people are most upset that the move of Terra Bella to the proposed location will effectively SHUT DOWN an amazing program that serves the whole community. The district is not giving them any time to find a new location, nor any support. Although of course they claiming otherwise in the media.
But Terra Bella is currently located in an industrial section of Mountain View, close to 101, at 1012 Linda Vista Ave in Mountain View. The new proposed location is in the middle of a neighborhood with no buildings to act as a buffer. In fact, the students and preschool parents often have to park directly on the streets in the neighborhood to get to class. That is not the ideal situation in any neighborhood. NIMBY is different than NIMBY a few blocks past the recycling center, the Doggie Daycare center, and the manufacturing building.
No one brought up "bad neighborhoods" except you, and you characterize them yourself. You are the only person on this thread who is judging people based on where they live. Other people are simply expressing their safety concerns from the Terra Bella kids who actually have a record and have been in juvenile hall. No one else cares how much money they have or what neighborhood they grew up in. They only care that they may threaten the safety of their loved ones.
Please don't put me down personally in your reply. You have no idea of who I am or where I came from any more than I know your life story. And I have no opinion on you based on where you live. My opinion is just based on the way you reply to others on this thread.
Posted by Frustated, a resident of the Stierlin Estates neighborhood, on Feb 20, 2012 at 8:17 pm
mom of three,
You are absolutely right. I have been "hell-bent" in my approach in putting down the residents of Waverly Park. And yes, it is exactly the type of thing that I'm accusing those residents of doing. Chalk it up to the frustration of the situation and my growing bitterness at the lack of concern by most of the people in this thread. I know many of those residents personally and have dealt with comments such as "I will only purchase a house over in this part of Mountain View - since there is so much crime and similar across the tracks". And no, I am not making that up for the purpose of this thread. I have become extremely jaded and vocal and am not necessarily proud of that fact. However, your comment about the school being located in an "industrial" part of Mtn. View is not altogether true. The recycling center was added "after" many residents purchased here. The school was placed here after as well. A major neighborhood is one block away. So yes, I'm bitter. And yes, I am being vocal since most of my neighbors have given up. You seem to think that we don't care about the safety of our loved ones. We are exactly like you, except that we didn't necessarily have the opportunities to purchase in your neighborhood. But again I have to ask why that makes you any different? The school district has been more than accommodating in leasing the school the buildings for so long. Yes, they should have given you more notice. Just like they should have given us notice that the school was coming here. Life just isn't fair. My lashing out here has been due to the fact that I am so done with listening to the same old rhetoric and reasoning coming from that neighborhood. Maybe it's my old age, but I have to speak out. Not that it has, or will, make any difference. And like I've said before - the district will ultimately find in your favor, of that I have not doubt.
Oh, and I cannot find anywhere in my replies that I personally attacked you. I did mention that you shouldn't lose any sleep over it since it would be ruled in your favor. I was generalizing, but if you have guilt, I can understand your thinking that I was attacking you. I do not know you either, so have no idea of your background. However, I do know many people in Waverly Park and my comments are based on the facts that were told to me personally. So in that respect, I do judge. So, don't take it personally unless you think that you must. My comments are a generalization based on many conversations over the years with residents of Waverly Park. Not a roaring recommendation, to be sure.
And regarding your comments that some of the people that I was "making derogatory comments to weren't from Waverly Park". You are absolutely right. But if they were being honest in their locations, they were all from across El Camino. Not much difference.
Well, I think that the fight is leaving me. I'm too old for this. As long as there is a group of people who believe they are better than another group, there will be in-fighting and attempts to make their lives better at the expense of others. I fully realize that I have stooped to their level, and for that I'm sorry. But I'm not sorry for the things that I did bring up because they are true. And I will not apologize for trying to stand up for an under-represented group of people who are constantly overlooked because we don't have the money or resources that others do. It will be very interesting to see how this whole thing plays out, even though I'm 99.9% sure of the outcome. And you go right ahead and form an opinion of me. It does not bother me in the least. I've grown used to it.
Posted by Steve, a resident of the Shoreline West neighborhood, on Feb 23, 2012 at 12:51 pm
SCCOE has a mandate that all programs must be "financially neutral", they are currently kicking in $150k/year for Terra Bella lease, and cannot continue to do so. All that would be needed to keep it open would be $150k/year from the users of Terra Bella (MV-LA, Fremont Union and Palo Alto Unified). I do not know if the proposed move would be for Terra Bella students only from MV-LA, or all students.
If money is such an issue, I don't know why MV-LA is footing the whole $40k/year bill for police overtime (see contract in link in earlier post).