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on Mar 3, 2009
I have been following this story around since it happened and caught my attention because of the profile this man has had in his community and knowing he has an involved family.
I think anyone, especially a community leader and someone of his involvement, should have been given more than 8 days of investigation for a crime that happened 5-10 years ago and especially given all the charges. Noting the charges against him, this will have negative consequences on him and his family no matter the outcome.
It seems like a weak case to me and I do NOT think it is fair the county to set such high bail for this case which I don't think was properly investigated. The bail is $1 million, requiring the family to pay 10% or $100k up front.(contacts with people who are involved in this case)
I think if he is in fact found innocent, there should be serious consequences against the city/county for not properly investigating. Eight days for charges that are going to affect his family until the verdict is made, to affect his young children who won't get to see their father, to affect his older children who have to deal with this information and to clean his name the upcoming years and knowing he worked for the law firm, Cooley Goodward Kronish LLP, in Palo Alto, I am sure they will find a way to not take him back if he is found innocent, which I think is completely unfair.
Then again, depending on what an investigation reveals, one day can be enough. I imagine that the fact that he works with kids gave some urgency to the situation.
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I agree, I was outraged when I found out about the charges against him and wish there was more concrete evidence and/or more time spent investigating before the arrest was made.
I wish for this for him and for his family's sake.
The bail is ridiculous.
If in fact Cooley Goodward and Kronish dont return his job when he is found innocent, that would be absurd and will show their true colors.
I'm outraged to see some of the ocmments on here! I don't pretend to know if this man is innocent or guilty and it's not my job to guess. What I do know, though, is that there is nothing in any of the articles I've read giving details about HOW the police developed their case against Carbajal. And that's OK. We, the average Joe, don't get to hear those details for good reason. My point, though, is that so many of you ASSUME the investigation is weak, or that 8 days is not enough. How do any of you know what evidence the MVPD has? And how do you know how many days is long enough to develop cause to arrest someone? Would 10 days be enough? How about 15? What if they worked around the clock? Would 2 days, then, be enough. The fact of the matter is that police have to have waht's called "probable cause" to arrest someone. That means they have to have a lot of evidence. If the case is weak, the DA's office will turn around and reject it. If the DA's office believes there is enough evidence and they can win the case, they formally file charges. Let's give the CHILDREN the benefit of the doubt and, pending the outcome of this case, protect other CHILDREN form a man who may be a predator!
And cotinuing on this thread....what bail is enough? Let's assume the man is a guilty, child moelsting predator, as the charges stipulate. Would YOU want him out on bail? Woudl YOU want him in your community, around your kids, teaching your soccer camps? How do any of us know what type of flight risk he is? Maybe he made comments about fleeing to another country and the judge determined he was at-risk of fleeing to avoid prosecution. None of us really know what situation is. I do know, if he IS guilty, I don't want to take the risk of having him loose with his sexual desires in my neighborhood. The benefits of having him free on bail do NOT outweigh the risks to our children. If they let him loose on a lower bail and he couldn't control his desires (again, assuming he is guilty), one more child will suffer for EVER and we, as a community will be permanently shamed.
comeonnow?! I can understand your frustration as someone outside looking in. I have talked to people who were involved in this case, and I have talked to people involved and working in this case.
In terms of bail - why do you see this as fair compared to the history of bail that we have seen in the past. You have no right to make speculations on this guy, because he is innocent right now until we find out from his trial date. Saying $1million bail is fair for this, when we recently saw Graziano who was found having a murder plot posting bail for $200k(1/5 of what they are giving this guy) is absurd. To say that he would flee knowing he has an involved family and 5 kids in the area, is an outlandish comment.
I agree that i misspoke about what time-line is correct for them to arrest a man accused of this. I would not want my kids exposed to someone who actually committed those crimes and would be grateful for the police to find someone of this nature and put them behind bars immediately. I just think that a week of investigation for something that happened 5-10 year ago, where they did not get any information regarding current crimes(if they did, as you put, work around the clock), falls as something credible. As we know(which someone in a previous message board mentioned), child molesters tend to continue their crimes multiple times after it has happened.
I know from an outsider that doesn't know the context to what is going on, this would seem frustrating, and for any other case I would be grateful that the person has wrong-doer has been caught, but I honestly believe the man is innocent. I will be eating my words if he is not, but I am just asking for compassion for his family and for his name. If he is found innocent, it will be a mountain to climb to re-establish himself and his reputation - something that I am sure, a lot of us would not be able to do.
$1 Million - you thought that was bad, after his hearing today bail was set at $2 Million - if what you say about Graziano is true, then this is just not fair.
comeonnow?! how is it that many people get out of jail for alot less for murder and other terrbile crimes and for alot less. Like the previous comment, its not likely, this man has 5 kids and lives in an apartment... HOW IS HE A FLIGHT RISK??? This man worked closely with police officers and other people in the community, you say you wouldn't feel safe to have your kids around him and I agree, but if he had done this, don't you think he would have repeated it again? 10 years is a long time to go without following a desire. It's insane to say that an arguable case could be made in 8 days on a crime that happened 10 years ago... This case is going to turn into a he said she said case and who knows what the outcome will be. Maybe he did it... hopefully he didn't.
To Community Member and others: There is much talk about the fact the police have ONLY 3 victims and that the crimes ocurred so many years ago. There are a lot of people who seem to be using that fact as a reason to believe the vicitms ar elying and Carbajal is innocent. the reason this came to light is because one of the vicitms disclosed her story. That's how almost all of these types of caes come to light. the vicimt usually has to disclose what happened to someone with the wehrewithall to report it. There very well could be other victims out there. If he is guilty, I am willing to bet my shorts there are more vicitms out there. The question is: how to find them? You can not say Carbajal MUST be innocent simply because the work is only aware of 3 victims. Also, for those that don't know, child molesters prefer a certain age. Some like them very, very young; some like them older. they do not stray out of their preferred age range as a general rule. so, if Carbajal prefers girls around the 7-9 year-old range, he is absolutely going to stop molesting them when they get too old for his liking. That's how it works. that's why the molests ocurred so long ago and did not continue. There may very well be other vicitms out there who have not be able or brave enough to come forward. And given the reposnse from some of you, they likely now never will. Many, many child molest vicimts never come forward, which is why the experts across the board agree that there are likely far more vicitms out there than any of us every thought possible. They don't come forward.
And to add to my above comment - one of you assumed that because I listed "another community" as my neighborhood that I must not know what I'm talking about. First of all, to whoever said they "talked to people involved in this case and working on this case," please stop lying. You may have all the opinions and feelings about this that you want and we all appreciate you sharing them, but don't lie. I know for a fact you aren't talking to the victims, and if you were, you wouldn't be saying the things you're saying. you MAY be talking to Carbajal's friends and family, but that's not exactly a solid source of reputable info and of course they will be biased one way. And I know for a fact you are not discussing this case with anyone from the MVPD, or you also would not be saying what you are saying. I may not live in this community, but I am not an outsider and I do know what I am talking about. To everyone reading these comments (or any comments online), please don't believe people who claim to "know" the victim, suspect or other people involved in this case. Often times, they don't know them. And they certainly don't know the cops involved because cops don't arrest people they don't believe are guilty of the crime at hand. And even if someone really does know the victim or vicitm's family or suspect or suspect's family, that is the WORST source of reliable information. Scott Petersen and his family said he was innocent, too! Almost 100% of suspects and their families say they are innocent. They kind of have to....
Lasly, bail is bail. It is determined via the review of many, many facotrs. Sometimes it may seem fair, other times it may not. Sometimes the "likelyhood of reoccurrence" plays into it. Sometimes it's flight risk. Sometimes it's the nature of the crime. Sometimes it's based on your exposure to the community or to possible new victims. I don't KNOW if flight risk was an issue in Carbajal's case; I brought it up as an option. My point is that NONE of us mere community members in this complicated game of court trials, knows anything about why his bail was set high. I can pretty much guarantee that the judge, who is dealing with many, many heinous crimes, doesn't know Carbajal from a hole in the wall and does not have a personal vendetta against him. Bail was set that high for a reason. Maybe the courts should be more clear about that reason, or maybe not. But you all, including me, don't know, so stop assuming your opinion is right until and unless you know the facts.
I think agree and think the bail is too high. Why would you set bail so high for this case and for a murder case have it be less than half. I just think there is a flaw in the system. Even if he is guilty, why should his bail be higher than someone convicted of murder or plotting murder.
I think comonnow?! is a little crazy for trying to compare this to the Scott Peterson trial. This is totally irrelevant and I think if community member knew the family then there is probably information that he knows that the general public doesn't know, or maybe he does know someone involved - I just think it is not fair to shut down someone for claiming they know people involved in the case and saying everything they say is boloney. Comeonnow?! doesnt know anymore than we do, and might just be jealous that someone else does. Community Member- if you are telling the truth and know more about these issues and are actually relaying them to us, we appreciate it....dont listen to comonenow?!
There is a lot wrong with comeonnow?!'s arguments - true, molesters do have preference to age and gender, etc.. Since these are family members that he saw over and over again, why was there only one count of this crime. It is not like they were 7-9 years old for one day and then got older. I am sure if he did it once with them and knew he could get away with it, it would have happened again. Plus this man had the opportunity to coach a girl's soccer team but refused to because of any issues a male coach would face. I think he would have taken it according to comonnow?!'s logic.
That's my two cents.
Just FYI - the community member who wrote about "FLIGHT RISK" is not me, but I agree with him/her.
Comeonnow?! just make your assumptions and accuse people of what you think is right. I do not have connection to the family nor have I talked to them, so this is not an excuse for me to stick up for someone I know(...which is your theory).
Saying bail is bail - I think I speak for most people when I say that there should be some guidelines. A potential murder with concrete evidence against him being let out on bail for less than half of what this man is being held for is absurd. Even to someone who will has no history of the events, this seems a little extreme. What would be your reaction to the following statistic. Potential Murder, with hard evidence being held on bail for $250k vs. A potential molester, with no hard evidence being held on bail for $2 Million. You have to be close minded to not agree there is something wrong there. Either they should have brought his bail amount down, or they should bring all other bail amounts up, to have it fit the crime/threat.
I agree with Los Altos Member, if he would have continued the crime, why didn't he do more acts against the victims, instead of just the one count from each of them? If he knew he could get away with it, why didn't he do this more?
I CANT BELIEVE THE BAIL MONEY!!!!
I NOE THE ACCUSER
AND THE VICTIMS
BUT WHO KNOWS WAT THE REAL STORY IS
BC THIS HAPPENED ALONG TIME AGO
AND THERE IS NO PROOF
IF HE DID IT OR NOT
FOR ALL U NOE THE VICTIMS CAN BE LYING SINCE THEY ARE TEENAGERS RIGHT NOW AND EVERYONE KNOWS HOW THEY ARE
THINK OF HIS FAMILY
AND THE PLAYERS THAT HE VOLUNTEERED WIT HIM
THEY REALLY MISS HIM
COME ON PPL!!!
I hope if someone knows what happened or knows anything that is fabricated come forward, it would be a shame to see an innocent man go to jail and not be there for part of his children's lives.
Carbajal is a great man, and I know he would never ever do such a thing. He's the most perfect and clear example of what a great father should look like. I know him(not so well) but well enough to say that he's a man with priniples and morals. A carring father and a carring husband whose only intention is to protect his family. Carbajal is a man with great intentions a hard working, honest and loyal man. And there is no reason why he should be going through this. Especially, his little children. Who will fix all of the drama and sadness they've brought to his young children, who have always been really close to his father, and after all look up to him?? Who will take care of his family??? Because up to right now not a single person has offered them help. Guilt or not there's no way his family and him should be going through this. There should be a lot more of investigations going on. In particular with the girls. Which I also know and I can guarantee that those girl's intentions are only to hurt and destroy his uncles reputation. It's jealousy those girls never had a father like their 5 cousins.
But afterall, this is a moment of difficult for Carbajal and his family, but I know that the people who know him will agree to everything I just said above.
I agree with everything Altair said. If people really care they should be speaking out against the girls that are framing him - if you know anything please go to the proper authority. I know you don't want this innocent man to go to jail if he isn't properly represented.
I ask people to speak out if they know anything.
Also, write to a lawyer and ask them to represent him pro-bono.
Lastly and most importantly, write and/or go to local and national media and write to them about this story. With public attention the city/county will be forced to investigate this further, rather than the half-ass job they have been doing.
I have to laugh every time I have heard oh I know him he would never do such a thing. People will surprize you and what they do being closed doors is even more surprizing.
I guess most of you don't know how bail works...bail schedule compounded by multiple charges equals high bail. It is his job to go before the court and attempt to get it reduced.
I can tell you several people who were not flight risk have fled. Family or not.
Or and for the record...this man did not work closely with the police. He was a coach that was trusted and broke that trust.
you cannot say that he broke that trust, because for all we know he is innocent. he has not been proven guilty yet and based on the stories from other news outlets, this seems like some false accusations. When the verdict comes out as him being innocent, don't be surpriZed.
I understand how bail works, but $2 Million for 3 charges as opposed to Mr. Simpson who only had an initial $125k bail(before being doubled) for 12 criminal counts including "conspiracy, kidnapping, robbery, burglary, coercion and assault with a deadly weapon," seems a little crazy.
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