The medical marijuana scene
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on Jan 27, 2010
Despite past failures, advocates are again approaching Mountain View officials with requests to open medical marijuana dispensaries in the city. Others, meanwhile, have already started their own delivery services.
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posted Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 4:20 PM
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Posted by Jonathan Lustig
a resident of Castro City
on Jan 29, 2010 at 5:50 am
A special thank you to Daniel Debolt! Writing a non-biased article and bringing attention to this very important issue is rendering a public service and you should be admired.
I would like to say that after seeing the comments posted from some within the constituency here in Mountain View its overwhelmingly apparent that we truly are surrounded by compassionate intellectuals who will not cower to unfounded falsities, accusations, and scare tactics made by those who are uneducated and lost. It is essential that we remember those who are skeptical and cynical of Cannabis have not experienced life as we know it. I am a fourth generation Mountain View resident, and even while traveling on the opposite side of the United States for almost 3 years, I have always been very proud to speak to others about this great city that my forefathers and I grew up in. I praise and applaud all those who have spoken on behalf of the sick and suffering. Some of these patients have crippling diseases and disorders and they should be embraced and accounted for instead of demeaned and neglected. May the angels around us, bless you all.
I would like convey to all those who are against a medical Cannabis facility locally please read the following. If you have any additional questions I encourage you to reply with them.
MARYJANE HATER Your "name" screams brilliance. The statement about easily obtaining a prescription (its really a recommendation) from any doctor is inaccurate. In fact, licensed physicians in the state of California are more inclined to scrutinize patients and their conditions now, than ever before. As far as insinuating people who ingest or inhale Cannabis are going to be running amuck around our city, that's absurd.
DAVID I found it humorous when you encouraged moving to the south. Racism, ignorance and discrimination exist everywhere but unfortunately still seem to thrive there.
UNDRGRNDGRL You are absolutely right, there have been countless studies that have disproved the notion that cannabinoids in ones system makes them more susceptible to getting into accidents. In addition there have even been studies that have shown quite the contrary. If a person (who is not physically handicapped) is not capable of lifting a leg up for thirty seconds or touching their nose while their eyes are closed they shouldn't be driving in the first place and they should be given a dui. That doesn't sound like Cannabis to me, that's more likely a side effect of heavy narcotic prescription drugs or alcohol.
JOE SCHMOE "If drug addicts and lazy perverts want to do marijuana, they should buy it on a street corner or in the local junior high school or grow it in their caves. Don't give us this bull that "they need it for their health." They just want to get high." Wow Joe
First Id like to extend my hand to you and if youd ever like to sit down in person and have an academic discussion about this subject let me know and I would be happy to. Second, do you realize you just defecated and urinated on people who are consistently in distress because of their difficult and sometimes painful afflictions ranging from insomnia and hyper/hypo thyroid to multiple sclerosis and terminal cancer?? Please, cruelty has no place in our society.
MARYJANE HATER Its "Absolutely Ridiculous" for you to imply people who responsibly medicate with Cannabis are delinquents and incapable of being beneficial components of society. I have been working since the age of 14 and have been considered an "asset", a "jewel", a "gem" by almost every employer I've ever had. I have been inhaling Cannabis periodically throughout the day, every day, since the age of 16.
DER KK One of the many differences between alcohol and Cannabis is that almost 50,000 Americans die annually solely due to internal complications from alcohol while in thousands and thousands and thousands of year's worth of civilizations around the world utilizing Cannabis there have been 0 documented cases of such an extreme. I appreciate your comedy, laughter is the best medicine.
BRUNO Hilarious as well! Bob was a great man
Dying at 36 just isn't right. Skin cancer, go figure. RIP Bob Marley.
MARNIE Tell it like it is! There are many more professional and family oriented people like yourself all around you who are medicating with Cannabis. Its courageous of you to stand up and scream out for those incapable of doing so themselves. I commend you, well done.
AND IM A REPUBLICAN TOO those were ignorant statements indeed.. I am sorry about your father crossing-over but its gratifying to hear that you, like many others, firmly believe Cannabis preserved and extended the life of a loved one. I am glad that it allowed more time to be together. Seeing Cancer patients raid their cupboards and refrigerators after inhaling Cannabis can still make me cry..why is the government being so dishonest?? all the while people are living and dying in pain!! I am a very proud American but some of those who have been elected to lead us are failing us, and while they fail us, people die. Yes AIART, lets progress!
B.D. "Uploaded: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 4:20 PM Daniel? Coincidence or??????" When I initially saw that I wondered if that was his doing, or angels
perhaps he can give us a definitive answer one way or the other.
HARDIN "the first thing we should be discussing is the effectiveness of marijuana as medicine, from a clinical standpoint. Until there is scientific, repeatable evidence that marijuana has proven medical benefits, the issue of whether or not to have a dispensary is premature. Let's checkout the horse, before we approve the building of a cart." Perhaps 10,000 years of civilizations around the world using Cannabis for its medical properties should be sufficient to end that discussion, don't you think? What about the fact that at least 28 medications had Cannabis in them here in the United States up until about 1920 when big business and our government began sleeping together??
PROPONENT Alcoholism consumes millions of Americans. One day I realized I had never done anything that I was proud of let alone something great while inebriated from alcohol. I have very rarely ever consumed alcohol since that day.
LIVN&LVNLIFE Yes, there are many professionals amongst us who use it for medical or recreational purposes. I do not condone abuse or addiction to anything. Prescription drugs kill at least 100,000 Americans annually and some estimates suggest over 200,000. Since the beginning of Cannabis consumption there has been no evidence of an overdose resulting in death.
MARY JANE HATER I hope youre not a cynic
.. healthy skepticism is ok, being cynical would make you archaic.
PLEASE READ Of course there are going to be people who attempt to profiteer somewhere within the medical Cannabis system but that doesn't justify throwing up your hands and turning your back on patients.
Parent Precisely, prescription and over the counter drugs are killing at least 200 Americans a day.
MARY JANE HATER You are not familiar with how thorough the vast majority of local doctors are while reviewing patients and their conditions. If someone says their feet hurt the doctor will tell them not to tie their shoe laces so tightly. If they produce documentation which clearly shows that the patient has MS and that's why they have the burning sensation in their feet, they will be given a recommendation. "Sell To Youngsters"??? Youre naïve.. While being involved in this movement for the last several years I have never personally witnessed nor heard of any patients around me illegally selling medicine to our youths! They would be ridiculed and shunned! No more baseless statements please. And isolated cases would be a very weak defense.
CONFUSED I believe he was referencing a grow operation that occurred in Los Banos. Achieving 900,000 dollars worth of Cannabis in one yield is an absolutely incredible amount. So incredible that its unbelievable. A very inclined green thumb individual would need at least 150-200 1,000 watt lights to accomplish that. Most growers have a hard time growing with just a couple of lights. Those numbers must be ridiculously exaggerated.
MV RES I hope he sees the light and conforms one day. Exploiting patients and their conditions by applying a tax on top of their expensive medication which isn't covered by insurance companies would be disadvantageous and unethical. If people are purchasing it for recreational use then it is a luxury and then could perhaps be justifiably taxed.
BRUNO I concur, have fun in Virginia Dan..
QM What does a recreational drug deal gone wrong have to do with a secure professionally run medical Cannabis wellness center?? Oooooh you mean not allowing access for our patients forces them to contribute to the success and prosperity of our local street drug dealers??? So you really mean, lets open a facility or two that will compromise the hold that street drug dealers have on our patients which allows them to continue to operate and prey on our youths within the community? Got it! Before saying Cannabis led to this young mans death I would say cocaine led to his death. Take the cocaine out of the situation and perchance no one dies.
THOM You my friend are quite educated about Cannabis and seem to stand by some of the same ethical principles which I do. Keep enlightening, and thank you.
DAVID Great points! Billions of dollars have been wasted in the fight against Cannabis. Children and the average adult have been put in jail for low amount Cannabis offenses and then they come out exponentially worse off than they were when they went in. Very sad.
JUNE - I have a feeling that you have commented on this thread already but under a different "name"
"pot heads are pot heads and a drag on society" Please approach this discussion with an open mind. "pot head" is a derogatory term that implies people who ingest Cannabis are delinquents and permanently planted on their couches. Many patients are very beneficial components of society.
QM I am not certain how I will be voting on recreational use of Cannabis in November. As long as it doesn't amend out medical Cannabis laws I will very seriously consider it.
EARTH God made Cannabis. Man made beer. Who do you trust?
PEACELOVE over 10 percent of American adults are ingesting or inhaling Cannabis regularly.
MJFTW You mean RE-Legalize it. ; )
WONDERING Yes many patients who have nerve issues utilize the medical properties within Cannabis. Definitely google testimonials and speak with your doctor! Ms. Hater will eventually conform. Truth Heals.
I felt an impulse to respond to some of the comments on here and then felt ultimately duty-bound to reply to all of them. Now I would like to speak about 4 different arguments which are always used by the medical Cannabis opposition.
The most important argument in my eyes is our children. Every medical marijuana initiative is combated against by groups claiming that legalizing Cannabis for medical purposes would "send the wrong message to our children" and create a "social pandemic". The truth is, according to every medical Cannabis state Attorney General Survery and the Youth Risk Behavior Association Survey, youth usage has gone down substantially and even plummeted since the enactment of the states medical Cannabis laws (Here in California are numbers have plunged in every Cannabis category over the course of the past 13 years). If you compare medical Cannabis state declines with the increases and decreases in states that don't have medical Cannabis laws, there really is no comparison. I will not sit here and argue that legalizing Cannabis for medical purposes has somehow discouraged usage, BUT, at the very least we can conclude that legalizing it for medical purposes did not encourage our youths illegal use of it. Dispensaries = Compromising our youth? No.
Crime is the second concern that I hear from people. A properly run wellness facility will have protocols and policies that will minimize the potential for any criminal activity. Recently there have been a few robberies and burglaries here in Mountain View. If these different establishments actually had the safeguards and security measures in place that a genuine Cannabis facility would have, it is highly doubtful that these occurrences would happen. I am not suggesting that every establishment should hire security to "check" everyone at the door or have cameras everywhere detouring would be opportunists, BUT, I am saying that the vast majority of criminals wouldn't attempt to rob or burglarize an establishment that is more secure than a bank. A recent report clearly shows no correlation between legalizing Cannabis for medical purposes a spike in crime. In fact we have had a significant drop in most types of crimes
since when you ask?? Since the middle of the 1990's
how much of a decline you ask?? The level of violent crimes has dropped to a 40 year low here in California. Dispensaries = Crime? No.
Federal intervention was brought up repeatedly over the course of the last several years. The Obama administration has stated that the federal government will no longer intervene as long as the collective is not breaking state laws. This argument has been eradicated. Dispensaries = Federal Intervention? No.
Lastly some are concerned with the size of our city not being big enough for a facility. Some towns of less than 5,000 people have successful operating Cannabis centers. Some cities that have half our population (MV pop. 75,000 +/-) harbor more than several dispensaries. Dispensaries = Problem for cities with populations similar to ours? No.
Some things in life aren't easy. Obstacles rarely just vanish. People will repeatedly tell you to give up. Do not listen. Strive for greatness by rising above the skeptics and cynics.
Cannabis Is Medicine! May good health, felicity, and peace be with you all..
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Posted by Jonathan Lustig
a resident of Castro City
on Feb 1, 2010 at 1:17 am
"This thread has become a venue for Lustig to attack anyone who disagrees with him. Those against are ignorant, those for are bright and compassionate." - Attack is such a strong word, I prefer passionately engage. Youre insinuating a lie John. I have used the word ignorant twice through this entire thread. The first time I was supporting statements made by another person. The second time I was responding to an impolite and naive person who called me a provocateur. You have an apple f or ctrl f function dont you?? I sense a slightly paranoid conscious..... The people who stand up against this barbaric medical prohibition are admirable indeed. Ethics, science, and history are against those who dont.
"From what I've read here, Lustig is dealing and trafficking in marijuana to his so-called "patients" without a medical license--another term is drug dealing. The police should get involved and shut his operation down." - Again John, misconstruing facts and encouraging the harassment by local officials is disingenuous, hateful, and shameful. Unfortunately due to the lack of federal support, medical doctors cant legally dispense cannabis to patients. I feel it to be a privilege and I am very honored to help other patients here in our county. The patients in our collective have banned together so that we can access quality medication for far more reasonable prices than when we obtain it from dispensaries in Santa Cruz or San Francisco. The collective is a not for profit model and patients within the collective acquire medication for 25-40 percent less than we would at the vast majority of facilities. Why? Because we strive towards keeping it as close to at cost as possible. The street would be the only other option but the quality, consistency, and reliability can be very poor let alone the expense of it. And quite frankly pushing patients who have Epileptic, IBD, Crones, PTSD, Multiple Sclerosis, Arthritic, Cancer, Bi-polar, OCD, Depressed, Anorexic, Glaucoma, AIDS, Hepatitis C, Alzheimer, Diabetic, Fibromyalgia, ALS, Osteoporosis, MRSA, Insomniacs, Tourettes Syndrome, and the many other mental and physical disabilities would be despicable and completely irresponsible. Again, I refuse to believe we are by and large a barbaric society. Perhaps that type of incompassionate, neglectful, and discriminatory community exists and thrives elsewhere like in the south, but not here in the Silicon Valley.
"Also, with a statement such as "I need to take a breath (or inhale some medication)" I really wonder Lustig is taking his prescription pot for. Is someone going to tell me medical marijuana patients don't overdose as well?" - Sir I have already stated that I have ADHD to combat with on a moment by moment basis. If I do not medicate I am noticeably hyperactive and can come across overbearing. Look how many exclamation points I applied to many of my words throughout this thread.. Cannabis minimizes my hyperactivity and allows me to relax and have the ability to concentrate and focus on individual tasks without contending with my mind racing off on tangents. Thats just the beginning of the benefits that Cannabis has for my ADHD/Migraines, but I'll leave it at enough to reply to your statement.
Estimates range from 5,500-10,000+ years of Cannabis consumption around the world. While in the United States alone 1 person perishes due to prescription drugs every 10 minutes, of every hour, of every day, of every week, of every month, of every year, for decades now...there has never been a single reporting of a lethal dose of Cannabis.
I do apologize for the extensively long comments. I find it to be a important responsibility to respond to people who are not fully educated about medical Cannabis. I constantly see and hear about the crippling ailments which patients are forced to live with and then I hear them talk about the magnificent benefits they find with Cannabis. It took almost 2 months for me to gain my composure and keep from always walking away from other patients without having tears in my eyes. They are not only tears of empathy, they tend to be tears of anger as well. How could we let these people down?? Everyone strives to be Jesus like right?? how could we get this one so wrong?? People are suffering while we live our lives. It just doesnt make sense to me...I lose sleep...I cant get over it.
Well I just wanted to apologize to those who find my posts annoying because of the lengths. I will attempt to be concise and refrain from carrying on in the future. Be well...