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The biggest idea ever floated

Mountain View resident Patri Friedman — Milton's grandson — wants to start his own country, on the sea

Patri Friedman believes that some day humans might live on platforms in the middle of the sea. The Mountain View resident is so dedicated to the idea, in fact, that he received a half-million dollars from PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel to study it further.

So with Thiel's gift as seed money, Friedman quit his job as an engineer at Google in 2008 to start The Seasteading Institute with co-founder Wayne Gramlich.

The 33-year-old is the grandson of famous libertarian economist Milton Friedman, whose philosophy he largely shares. But in a Silicon Valley twist, Friedman believes technology will play a significant part in solving social problems.

"You might not think this is the place to start a political revolution," Friedman said of Silicon Valley. "But (sea steading) is a technological solution to the problems of politics. Rather than saying 'Can we get people to go with this ideology?' and trying to convince people, if we can invent this technology to build cities on the ocean, it will increase competition between governments" and fix many problems.

He envisions small communities, or countries on prefabricated platforms, where switching citizenship would involve simply floating from one platform to another.

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Currently, he said, "you have to win a war or an election or a revolution" to start your own country, "which is just ridiculous."

What began as a part-time interest for Friedman is now a full-time job. He employs three staffers and three interns, who spend their work days in a Palo Alto office generating ideas about how to sustain sovereign nations at sea.

Friedman lives in Mountain View with his wife Shannon and his son in a co-housing community near Dale Avenue, where he and a group of people bought two four-plexes to create a community they called "Tortuga." But his ultimate goal is to live with like-minded people who have taken over a piece of the unclaimed ocean.

"Mostly I'm a libertarian, and we live in a very non-libertarian world," he said. "It really bothers me to live in a country that operates with such a dramatically different moral system. I would like to live in a society that I actually think is moral and with people who agree with me on what moral is."

To do that, though, he'll need entrepreneurs, and "Entrepreneurs don't want barriers," Friedman said. In order to attract businesses into the middle of the sea, "you have to get the cost down enough" by eliminating unnecessary regulations.

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To that end, The Seasteading Institute has commissioned design of a $110 million, 200-guest hotel and resort called "Club Stead" that would "out-Vegas Vegas" in the middle of the sea, he said. The patented design — its construction would cost an estimated $310 per square foot — is based on large floating dumbbells that hold the platform above the waves. Friedman hopes to build a prototype platform within the next two years in the middle of the San Francisco Bay.

Above board

Over the years people have come up with numerous ideas for businesses that would support a sea steading community. The list tends to include less-than-desirable businesses, often illegal in the U.S., such as online gambling or illicit data storage — an application useful for those trafficking child porn or similar contraband.

But Friedman has some less shady business ideas as well. Lately, his favorite idea is to allow low-cost "medical tourism" on the ocean — a place where regulations and malpractice lawsuits haven't driven up the price of health care.

Friedman's interest in medical tourism got a boost, he said, when he and his wife looked into the costs of in-vitro fertilization in other countries and found that it could be done in Panama for one-third of what it costs in the U.S.

Recently Friedman held the first-ever conference on sea steading in San Francisco. Among the attendees were wealthy tech executives like Joseph Lonsdale, executive vice president of Palantir Technologies, which rents office space to The Seasteading Institute for $500 a month. Lonsdale also sits on the institute's board.

Friedman brushes off criticism from those who say sea steading is a crazy idea.

"It's bound to happen," he said. "Having done a huge amount of research on this, I think there are significant challenges, but it has a shot at working."

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The biggest idea ever floated

Mountain View resident Patri Friedman — Milton's grandson — wants to start his own country, on the sea

by Daniel DeBolt / Mountain View Voice

Uploaded: Mon, Nov 30, 2009, 10:06 am

Patri Friedman believes that some day humans might live on platforms in the middle of the sea. The Mountain View resident is so dedicated to the idea, in fact, that he received a half-million dollars from PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel to study it further.

So with Thiel's gift as seed money, Friedman quit his job as an engineer at Google in 2008 to start The Seasteading Institute with co-founder Wayne Gramlich.

The 33-year-old is the grandson of famous libertarian economist Milton Friedman, whose philosophy he largely shares. But in a Silicon Valley twist, Friedman believes technology will play a significant part in solving social problems.

"You might not think this is the place to start a political revolution," Friedman said of Silicon Valley. "But (sea steading) is a technological solution to the problems of politics. Rather than saying 'Can we get people to go with this ideology?' and trying to convince people, if we can invent this technology to build cities on the ocean, it will increase competition between governments" and fix many problems.

He envisions small communities, or countries on prefabricated platforms, where switching citizenship would involve simply floating from one platform to another.

Currently, he said, "you have to win a war or an election or a revolution" to start your own country, "which is just ridiculous."

What began as a part-time interest for Friedman is now a full-time job. He employs three staffers and three interns, who spend their work days in a Palo Alto office generating ideas about how to sustain sovereign nations at sea.

Friedman lives in Mountain View with his wife Shannon and his son in a co-housing community near Dale Avenue, where he and a group of people bought two four-plexes to create a community they called "Tortuga." But his ultimate goal is to live with like-minded people who have taken over a piece of the unclaimed ocean.

"Mostly I'm a libertarian, and we live in a very non-libertarian world," he said. "It really bothers me to live in a country that operates with such a dramatically different moral system. I would like to live in a society that I actually think is moral and with people who agree with me on what moral is."

To do that, though, he'll need entrepreneurs, and "Entrepreneurs don't want barriers," Friedman said. In order to attract businesses into the middle of the sea, "you have to get the cost down enough" by eliminating unnecessary regulations.

To that end, The Seasteading Institute has commissioned design of a $110 million, 200-guest hotel and resort called "Club Stead" that would "out-Vegas Vegas" in the middle of the sea, he said. The patented design — its construction would cost an estimated $310 per square foot — is based on large floating dumbbells that hold the platform above the waves. Friedman hopes to build a prototype platform within the next two years in the middle of the San Francisco Bay.

Above board

Over the years people have come up with numerous ideas for businesses that would support a sea steading community. The list tends to include less-than-desirable businesses, often illegal in the U.S., such as online gambling or illicit data storage — an application useful for those trafficking child porn or similar contraband.

But Friedman has some less shady business ideas as well. Lately, his favorite idea is to allow low-cost "medical tourism" on the ocean — a place where regulations and malpractice lawsuits haven't driven up the price of health care.

Friedman's interest in medical tourism got a boost, he said, when he and his wife looked into the costs of in-vitro fertilization in other countries and found that it could be done in Panama for one-third of what it costs in the U.S.

Recently Friedman held the first-ever conference on sea steading in San Francisco. Among the attendees were wealthy tech executives like Joseph Lonsdale, executive vice president of Palantir Technologies, which rents office space to The Seasteading Institute for $500 a month. Lonsdale also sits on the institute's board.

Friedman brushes off criticism from those who say sea steading is a crazy idea.

"It's bound to happen," he said. "Having done a huge amount of research on this, I think there are significant challenges, but it has a shot at working."

Comments

Molly
Sylvan Park
on Nov 30, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Molly, Sylvan Park
on Nov 30, 2009 at 4:12 pm

What an inspiring story. Most people just sit around complaining about the government. It's rare to see someone actually putting their principles into action. Way to go for Silicon Valley innovation!


Angela Hey
another community
on Nov 30, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Angela Hey, another community
on Nov 30, 2009 at 4:37 pm

Sealand is a "country" off the coast of England. It offers Lordships and Ladyships. Web Link and Web Link
It suffered a devastating fire - after trying to be an offshore data center.


Paul
Shoreline West
on Nov 30, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Paul, Shoreline West
on Nov 30, 2009 at 8:39 pm

Put all the wingnuts on a raft floating out to sea? Sounds good to me.

I know this great little area off the coast of Somalia that they'd *love* - no regulation whatsoever!


Heidi
Shoreline West
on Dec 1, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Heidi, Shoreline West
on Dec 1, 2009 at 10:18 pm

Great story about someone doing something amazing. Can't wait to see the prototype out in the bay.


Chris
North Whisman
on Dec 1, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Chris, North Whisman
on Dec 1, 2009 at 10:37 pm

In case there were any lingering doubts about how out of touch with reality libertarians are...


J
Monta Loma
on Dec 2, 2009 at 5:50 pm
J, Monta Loma
on Dec 2, 2009 at 5:50 pm

Talk about stupid big ideas, just think how many homeless people that money could of help.


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