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Update: Council approves 65 homes next to Minton's

VTA says the project isn't dense enough

The City Council unanimously approved another large housing project along Evelyn Avenue on Tuesday, and this one replaces a slew of auto shops with town homes that some say do not provide enough housing on the site.

With the approval of "Classics at Station 361" developer Classic Communities is set to build 45 detached homes and 20 attached homes at the corner of Evelyn Avenue and Calderon Avenue. Two pairs of three-story buildings face Evelyn Avenue and two-story detached homes would face the residential neighborhood along Villa Street.

In a letter to the Council, the Valley Transportation Authority called for a project almost with almost four times as many homes on the 4.3 acre site, saying its proximity to the downtown transit center made it an ideal location for dense housing. But no one on the City Council said they shared that concern Tuesday. Only Mayor Ronit Bryant, who lives a few blocks away, was critical.

Bryant said she considered a vote against the project because of its street design.

"Alleys, courtyards, roads going nowhere, really degrades the character" of the neighborhood, Bryant said. "I'm hoping little squiggly alleys to fit in as many units as possible is not the way we are going."

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City staff noted numerous "compromises" in the design, but nevertheless recommended the project's approval because it meets the city's "fundamental goal" of building housing in the area. Compromises include narrow, 20-foot wide streets, shortened garages, small rooms and smaller-than-usual lot sizes at 1,600 square feet instead of 2,000. Every home will have two parking spaces except one on an odd lot, which will have a one-car garage and no driveway.

The developer said the compromises were all necessary to make the project marketable and financially feasible.

"I'd like to say we have some credibility in this neighborhood," said Scott Ward of Classic Communities, adding that "I know we're not the easiest guys to work with." The two-story homes across the street from the nearby train station were built by Classic Communities in the 1990s.

The development will have a new public street that runs north-south to connect Villa to Evelyn at the west end of the site. And while some of the new streets are private and dead end at walls, one will be designated for the public right of way and runs east-west to connect Calderon Avenue to the new public street.

As for open space, the project meets city requirements by including small yards and 7,300 square feet of common open space in the center of the site, which includes a children's play area, shade trees and patio seating.

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On Tuesday few residents spoke about the project. Robert Cox, a board member of the Old Mountain View Neighborhood Association, supported it.

The project will be built next to the controversial 203-unit development replacing Minton's Lumber and Supply. Debate over the Minton's development raged on the Old Mountain View neighborhood e-mail list earlier this year, but critical words have not been spoken there about the Classic Communities project.

While Minton's isn't going to be much taller at two- to four and a half stories in height, Classics at Station 361 will be 15 units per acre compared to the 60 units per acre at Minton's, made possible by an underground parking garage and larger apartment buildings.

A city staff report indicates that the developer "is not interested in pursuing a higher density project."

However, the Valley Transportation Authority is interested in higher density, at least 55 units per acre to be exact, according to its letter to the council. The VTA guidelines supported by all 15 cities in Santa Clara County call for such densities within one-third mile of a regional transit center in an effort to meet housing demand while encouraging transit use. Caltrain, light rail and bus service are located almost directly across the street from the site.

To further encourage the buyers of the homes not to use their cars, VTA is asking the developer to provide them light rail and bus passes.

Ward explained that borrowing money for a higher density project would cause too much "credit exposure" in the current housing market, which is "just plain awful."

Classic Communities had originally submitted plans for a 96-unit project in 2006, but withdrew the project as the City Council considered a halt on all high density projects, stressed "quality over quantity" and criticized the project's lack of open space.

To be demolished are two houses on Villa Street and 100,000 square feet of auto shops and other commercial buildings in Abate's industrial Square. Several properties at the corner of Calderon and Evelyn will remain, including La Fiesta restaurant and two auto shops.

The city will receive $1.5 million in park fees and another $1.5 million in below market rate (BMR) housing fees that will go towards affordable housing elsewhere in the city.

A year ago a lawsuit against Mountain View was threatened by the owner of Classic Communities, John Mozart, who said the city's requirement for BMR fees was illegal under a recent court decision. His suit against a similar fee in Palo Alto was thrown out of court and he never pursued the suit against Mountain View.

The city expects the average home in the project will sell for about $750,000, which increases the value of the property to $49 million from $18 million. Property taxes for the city could more than double to $78,000 a year, a city staff report said.

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Update: Council approves 65 homes next to Minton's

VTA says the project isn't dense enough

by Daniel Debolt / Mountain View Voice

Uploaded: Mon, Dec 6, 2010, 3:38 pm
Updated: Wed, Dec 8, 2010, 11:22 am

The City Council unanimously approved another large housing project along Evelyn Avenue on Tuesday, and this one replaces a slew of auto shops with town homes that some say do not provide enough housing on the site.

With the approval of "Classics at Station 361" developer Classic Communities is set to build 45 detached homes and 20 attached homes at the corner of Evelyn Avenue and Calderon Avenue. Two pairs of three-story buildings face Evelyn Avenue and two-story detached homes would face the residential neighborhood along Villa Street.

In a letter to the Council, the Valley Transportation Authority called for a project almost with almost four times as many homes on the 4.3 acre site, saying its proximity to the downtown transit center made it an ideal location for dense housing. But no one on the City Council said they shared that concern Tuesday. Only Mayor Ronit Bryant, who lives a few blocks away, was critical.

Bryant said she considered a vote against the project because of its street design.

"Alleys, courtyards, roads going nowhere, really degrades the character" of the neighborhood, Bryant said. "I'm hoping little squiggly alleys to fit in as many units as possible is not the way we are going."

City staff noted numerous "compromises" in the design, but nevertheless recommended the project's approval because it meets the city's "fundamental goal" of building housing in the area. Compromises include narrow, 20-foot wide streets, shortened garages, small rooms and smaller-than-usual lot sizes at 1,600 square feet instead of 2,000. Every home will have two parking spaces except one on an odd lot, which will have a one-car garage and no driveway.

The developer said the compromises were all necessary to make the project marketable and financially feasible.

"I'd like to say we have some credibility in this neighborhood," said Scott Ward of Classic Communities, adding that "I know we're not the easiest guys to work with." The two-story homes across the street from the nearby train station were built by Classic Communities in the 1990s.

The development will have a new public street that runs north-south to connect Villa to Evelyn at the west end of the site. And while some of the new streets are private and dead end at walls, one will be designated for the public right of way and runs east-west to connect Calderon Avenue to the new public street.

As for open space, the project meets city requirements by including small yards and 7,300 square feet of common open space in the center of the site, which includes a children's play area, shade trees and patio seating.

On Tuesday few residents spoke about the project. Robert Cox, a board member of the Old Mountain View Neighborhood Association, supported it.

The project will be built next to the controversial 203-unit development replacing Minton's Lumber and Supply. Debate over the Minton's development raged on the Old Mountain View neighborhood e-mail list earlier this year, but critical words have not been spoken there about the Classic Communities project.

While Minton's isn't going to be much taller at two- to four and a half stories in height, Classics at Station 361 will be 15 units per acre compared to the 60 units per acre at Minton's, made possible by an underground parking garage and larger apartment buildings.

A city staff report indicates that the developer "is not interested in pursuing a higher density project."

However, the Valley Transportation Authority is interested in higher density, at least 55 units per acre to be exact, according to its letter to the council. The VTA guidelines supported by all 15 cities in Santa Clara County call for such densities within one-third mile of a regional transit center in an effort to meet housing demand while encouraging transit use. Caltrain, light rail and bus service are located almost directly across the street from the site.

To further encourage the buyers of the homes not to use their cars, VTA is asking the developer to provide them light rail and bus passes.

Ward explained that borrowing money for a higher density project would cause too much "credit exposure" in the current housing market, which is "just plain awful."

Classic Communities had originally submitted plans for a 96-unit project in 2006, but withdrew the project as the City Council considered a halt on all high density projects, stressed "quality over quantity" and criticized the project's lack of open space.

To be demolished are two houses on Villa Street and 100,000 square feet of auto shops and other commercial buildings in Abate's industrial Square. Several properties at the corner of Calderon and Evelyn will remain, including La Fiesta restaurant and two auto shops.

The city will receive $1.5 million in park fees and another $1.5 million in below market rate (BMR) housing fees that will go towards affordable housing elsewhere in the city.

A year ago a lawsuit against Mountain View was threatened by the owner of Classic Communities, John Mozart, who said the city's requirement for BMR fees was illegal under a recent court decision. His suit against a similar fee in Palo Alto was thrown out of court and he never pursued the suit against Mountain View.

The city expects the average home in the project will sell for about $750,000, which increases the value of the property to $49 million from $18 million. Property taxes for the city could more than double to $78,000 a year, a city staff report said.

Comments

Lowspeed transit
Old Mountain View
on Dec 6, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Lowspeed transit, Old Mountain View
on Dec 6, 2010 at 4:50 pm

LOL
VTA guidelines supported by all 15 cities in Santa Clara County call for such densities within one-third mile of a regional transit center in an effort to meet housing demand while encouraging transit use.

ENCOURAGING, it should be FORCING transit use which is currently a failure due in no small part to the Cal Train and its Highspeed (lowspeed) idiotic plans.

VTA does not LIVE in Mountain View, they can go out of business, the sooner the better.


Kristine
Monta Loma
on Dec 6, 2010 at 10:17 pm
Kristine, Monta Loma
on Dec 6, 2010 at 10:17 pm

Come now around 25-35 acres per unit wouldn't be unreasonable. 15 units is kinda low for the location.


Political Insider
Old Mountain View
on Dec 6, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Political Insider, Old Mountain View
on Dec 6, 2010 at 10:27 pm

This will go down as a lost opportunity for the council to promote smart growth near transit and downtown.


current zoning laws
Old Mountain View
on Dec 7, 2010 at 12:22 am
current zoning laws, Old Mountain View
on Dec 7, 2010 at 12:22 am

The Project request is LEGAL and cannot be denied via due-process. Given the riff raff in the current council one should not be surprised at illicate promotion that can be show as not legal.


Sean
Monta Loma
on Dec 7, 2010 at 10:27 am
Sean, Monta Loma
on Dec 7, 2010 at 10:27 am

My concern is the "7300 sq/ft of common space." This is slightly more than 1/8 of an acre. Not much playspace for 65 potential families.

The city councils practice of accepting in lieu fees instead of building more parks is short sighted and downright stinks. Mountain View has a tremendous park system, but that will not continue if the city constantly accepts paltry sums of money instead of fulfilling the need for accompanying open space on these large residential developments.


MS
Shoreline West
on Dec 7, 2010 at 1:03 pm
MS, Shoreline West
on Dec 7, 2010 at 1:03 pm

"While Minton's isn't going to be much taller at two- to four-stories in height"

Minton's will actually be 4 1/2 stories - the underground parking is not completely underground. It seems like 4 1/2 stories is 50% taller than 3 stories.


Rich
Blossom Valley
on Dec 7, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Rich, Blossom Valley
on Dec 7, 2010 at 2:36 pm

The "mass transit" in that area is a bit of a joke. I wanted to take 12 people to HP Pavillion and checked on prices. CalTrain had an OK schedule and would only take about twice as long as car, but would cost $102 per their web site. Light Rail runs often, but would take a LONG time, and still cost $48. Two minivans and the price is $25 with parking and gas, and it's much the fastest.

If mass transit isn't organized and priced to do the things people want and need, it will never succeed, no matter how much tax money is poured into it.


Resident
Old Mountain View
on Dec 7, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Resident, Old Mountain View
on Dec 7, 2010 at 2:40 pm

Completely agreed with Sean. The City Councils only have $$$ in their eyes.


More reasonable comparison
Old Mountain View
on Dec 8, 2010 at 10:40 am
More reasonable comparison, Old Mountain View
on Dec 8, 2010 at 10:40 am

Re: Rich's comment that "the 'mass transit' in that area is a bit of a joke" -- actually, the transit vs. auto comparison you've used is really the joke.

First of all, how typical is it for anyone to be bringing TWELVE people at a time on any trip? - and should that really be the basis for comparison? How about comparing a trip by a family of 3 (two parents and a child), which is surely a much more common circumstance for people going to an event at the HP Pavilion?

In this case, taking Caltrain costs a total of $21 (2 adult round trips @ $8.50 + 1 youth round trip @ $4.00). Parking for most events at HP Pavilion is $20/car (see the schedule of events at the following site which lists the parking charges: Web Link plus add a few dollars for gas. According to Google Maps, travel by Caltrain to HP Pavilion takes approx. 32 minutes, while driving takes about 18. So for this much more common example, taking the train matches well on price and takes about 14 minutes longer. You can certainly burn an extra 10 minutes waiting to get out of the parking lots and congestion around the Pavilion after the event. To me, this sounds pretty close to a wash. If that child is 4 or under, they travel for free with an adult - making the train the cheaper option.

You may argue that you can find cheaper parking for Pavilion events by parking farther away. And this is true -- but you need to add an extra 5-10 minutes walking to and from your car to make a fair comparison.

Perhaps you have also factored in the time it takes you to drive to Mountain View Station from your home. The point here is that by approving more housing very close to the train station, you're putting more people in the position where they don't need to drive to the station, and taking the train or light rail or bus becomes a competitive option. Why would you want to prevent that?





MS
Shoreline West
on Dec 8, 2010 at 3:11 pm
MS, Shoreline West
on Dec 8, 2010 at 3:11 pm

The parking garage on San Pedro St is free. In 12 years I have never paid for parking for an event at the HP Pavilion.

Also Caltrain only runs once an hour in the evening, so your trip home will be on average 1/2 hour + 32 minutes = 62 minutes which is over 4 times as long.


More reasonable comparison
Old Mountain View
on Dec 8, 2010 at 3:20 pm
More reasonable comparison, Old Mountain View
on Dec 8, 2010 at 3:20 pm

Actually, the parking garage at Market and San Pedro is only free from 6am to 6pm. The City has been charging a $3 flat rate after 6PM, seven days a week, for several years now. (See Web Link
So MS, you have either not been to an event at the Pavilion in quite a while, or you have only been going to daytime events.

And if you've been parking in free areas for Pavilion events, that extra 5-10 minute walk on each end needs to be factored into the equation.




Thom
Jackson Park
on Dec 8, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Thom, Jackson Park
on Dec 8, 2010 at 4:22 pm

Mountain View needs to work on getting some community spirit. Building homes isn't going to cut it. Why not build something for the community? I've lived here a long time and don't recall Mountain View ever giving anything back to it's citizens, yes, I went there.


Steve
Sylvan Park
on Dec 8, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Steve, Sylvan Park
on Dec 8, 2010 at 4:58 pm

Who in h*ll is the VTA to dictate housing density to anyone. A bunch of faceless bureaucrats who think they know the answers to all our problems. Look at the fine job they've done running transit, their only real job. The busses are great, you can enjoy the entire day just getting across town. Never tried light rail, but every time I see one go by it's empty. Anyone for another sales tax increase? I promiss it'll expire in just 6 more years. Let LOCAL, ELECTED government decide local issues. Increasing Mountain View density benefits no one except the developer and city employees. We already have one of the highest densities, if not the highest on the peninsula. Quality of life has declined steadily as the population has increased. Perhaps Los Altos would be interested in some growth.


Kristine
Monta Loma
on Dec 8, 2010 at 6:33 pm
Kristine, Monta Loma
on Dec 8, 2010 at 6:33 pm

you know what keep it at 15 units per acre. Maybe take out one building next to the park to make it a bigger park. We should rather try to have these building have a leed status.

Heres a good feature to add.

Web Link

perhaps incorporate the Rainwater hog inbetween a wall connect it to the plumbing to water plants and flush toilets and switches to municipal water when it runs out with no active fuss of the future homeowner.

Another is pervious concrete.

Web Link

it reduces storm water runoff the would send contaminates into the bay and is proven to reduce the heat island effect. I really hope it gets considered in many new mountain view projects.


Old Ben
Shoreline West
on Dec 9, 2010 at 4:57 am
Old Ben, Shoreline West
on Dec 9, 2010 at 4:57 am

I smoke. I can smoke in my car. Back when there were smoking cars, I rode trains all the time. No more. One out of six adult Americans smokes cigarettes. We are going to flex our muscles and take our money away from venues where we are not welcome.


MS
Shoreline West
on Dec 9, 2010 at 11:06 am
MS, Shoreline West
on Dec 9, 2010 at 11:06 am

@reasonable comparison - right, $3, not free. Still a long ways from the $20 that you claim.


MS
Shoreline West
on Dec 9, 2010 at 11:24 am
MS, Shoreline West
on Dec 9, 2010 at 11:24 am

@reasonable comparison :

Train :
$21 - train tickets
5m - walk from residence to Caltrain
30m - average wait time for train (trains every hour)
32m - trip time
5m - walk from Caltrain to HP Pavilion
total 72m -
144m (x 2 return trip)


Car : $3 + 6$ (gas) = $9
14m - drive time
10m - walk from parking to HP Pavillion
total 24m
x 2 48m - return trip

so $9 + 48m (car) vs. $21 + 144m (train)


DCS
Old Mountain View
on Dec 10, 2010 at 10:53 am
DCS, Old Mountain View
on Dec 10, 2010 at 10:53 am

Re: more reasonable comparison:

ummm.....travel by Caltrain to HP Pavilion takes approx. 32 minutes

I don't know about this route, but my route from MV to SSF would take an excess of 1 hour, there was a 10% chance of a 3 hour delay, and communication between the stations was really poor. I really doubt that Caltrain from MV to HP Pavilion would take 32 minutes.


Kristine
Monta Loma
on Dec 11, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Kristine, Monta Loma
on Dec 11, 2010 at 7:04 pm

....hmmmm an 5,000 gallon underground cistern is actually wiser than a water hog now than I think of it.


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