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Steins Beer Garden OK'd by City Council

Elation filled the City Council chambers Tuesday evening when the council approved a German- themed restaurant and beer garden that had been blocked by a handful of neighbors.

Council members voted 6-1 in favor of Steins with member Jac Siegel opposed.

Steins proprietor Ted Kim was asking for the overturn of restrictions on his outdoor beer garden, which would have to close at 6 p.m. half the year and 8 p.m. the other half, according to a May 9 zoning administrator decision which cited neighbor's noise concerns. Kim said his restaurant, to go in to former home of Golden Wok at 895 Villa Street, would not be viable if the "focal point" beer garden had to shut down before normal dinner hours were over.

"I think the zoning administrator went slightly overboard in closing at 6," said council member Ronit Bryant. "That seems a little early."

Council members allowed a 10 p.m. closing time for the patio Sunday through Thursday and 11 p.m. Friday and Saturday nights. Members Laura Macias and John Inks even supported allowing more than 64 seats on the patio, but no vote on that issue was taken.

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Complaints from a handful of neighbors about potential noise from the beer garden stirred interest in the issue among downtown residents, foodies and beer enthusiasts, 14 of whom spoke in support, expressing excitement over the quality food and numerous high end beers that have been promised. Some wondered why the neighbors had moved to a busy downtown area only to complain about noise, "like people buying near the airport and wanting the airport to move."

"Imagine if your neighbor decided to have a barbecue every night of the year, that's how I feel," said Michelle Lin, one of six opponents who live across the street and spoke against the project.

The neighbors had included in their complaints issues with the Monte Carlo night club, perhaps downtown's most loathed business, which lets out at 2 a.m. and whose customers are known to litter, urinate and fight near the neighbors' homes.

"Residents probably wouldn't be protesting at all if it weren't for the 2 a.m. problem," Lin said, referring to the night club patrons. "We are hypersensitive."

"Complaints about the night club are a separate issue we have to deal with on its own," said council member Margaret Abe-Koga, a statement later echoed by other council members.

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A study found that there would be some increase in noise because of the patio but that it paled in comparison with the noise from car traffic, which helped create an average of 85 decibels in peak noise and a high of 135 db, said noise engineer Robert King.

"There's clearly a lot of activity going on in this neighborhood," King said. "A person living in that building is affected by where they are living, there's no way around it."

Council member Siegel noted that neighbors had moved in to 230 Bryant when the restaurant's patio was not used for outdoor dining. He called for a special six-month review of the restaurant to see if neighbors were impacted by the noise. But other members said the city's existing processes for complaints were adequate, though zoning administrator Peter Gilli told the council that something "pretty extreme" would have to happen to cause the permit for the patio to be revoked.

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Steins Beer Garden OK'd by City Council

by Daniel DeBolt / Mountain View Voice

Uploaded: Wed, Jul 4, 2012, 11:51 am
Updated: Thu, Jul 5, 2012, 7:27 am

Elation filled the City Council chambers Tuesday evening when the council approved a German- themed restaurant and beer garden that had been blocked by a handful of neighbors.

Council members voted 6-1 in favor of Steins with member Jac Siegel opposed.

Steins proprietor Ted Kim was asking for the overturn of restrictions on his outdoor beer garden, which would have to close at 6 p.m. half the year and 8 p.m. the other half, according to a May 9 zoning administrator decision which cited neighbor's noise concerns. Kim said his restaurant, to go in to former home of Golden Wok at 895 Villa Street, would not be viable if the "focal point" beer garden had to shut down before normal dinner hours were over.

"I think the zoning administrator went slightly overboard in closing at 6," said council member Ronit Bryant. "That seems a little early."

Council members allowed a 10 p.m. closing time for the patio Sunday through Thursday and 11 p.m. Friday and Saturday nights. Members Laura Macias and John Inks even supported allowing more than 64 seats on the patio, but no vote on that issue was taken.

Complaints from a handful of neighbors about potential noise from the beer garden stirred interest in the issue among downtown residents, foodies and beer enthusiasts, 14 of whom spoke in support, expressing excitement over the quality food and numerous high end beers that have been promised. Some wondered why the neighbors had moved to a busy downtown area only to complain about noise, "like people buying near the airport and wanting the airport to move."

"Imagine if your neighbor decided to have a barbecue every night of the year, that's how I feel," said Michelle Lin, one of six opponents who live across the street and spoke against the project.

The neighbors had included in their complaints issues with the Monte Carlo night club, perhaps downtown's most loathed business, which lets out at 2 a.m. and whose customers are known to litter, urinate and fight near the neighbors' homes.

"Residents probably wouldn't be protesting at all if it weren't for the 2 a.m. problem," Lin said, referring to the night club patrons. "We are hypersensitive."

"Complaints about the night club are a separate issue we have to deal with on its own," said council member Margaret Abe-Koga, a statement later echoed by other council members.

A study found that there would be some increase in noise because of the patio but that it paled in comparison with the noise from car traffic, which helped create an average of 85 decibels in peak noise and a high of 135 db, said noise engineer Robert King.

"There's clearly a lot of activity going on in this neighborhood," King said. "A person living in that building is affected by where they are living, there's no way around it."

Council member Siegel noted that neighbors had moved in to 230 Bryant when the restaurant's patio was not used for outdoor dining. He called for a special six-month review of the restaurant to see if neighbors were impacted by the noise. But other members said the city's existing processes for complaints were adequate, though zoning administrator Peter Gilli told the council that something "pretty extreme" would have to happen to cause the permit for the patio to be revoked.

Comments

Bill Hough
another community
on Jul 5, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Bill Hough, another community
on Jul 5, 2012 at 2:02 pm

Good for the Mountain View city council for thinking logically on this issue. I think it's stupid to pick on Stein's because of behavior problems from customers of another establishment.

I'm happy Stein's will become an option for visitors to Mountain View. I currently work in north San Jose and frequently use VTA's light rail to visit downtown Mountain View for dinner after work. One can have dinner at an establishment such as Steins and return home on light rail without worrying about getting popped for DUI. I would like support the Mountain View economy by visiting Steins after work but with your proposed hours they'd be shutting down the beer garden by the time I would be showing up after getting off work.

Forcing Stein's to close their beer garden at an arbitrary early hour would defeat its purpose. Especially in the long summer months, Californians like to take advantage of our wonderful climate to enjoy dinner and drinks outside. And Steins' location at 895 Villa Street is in downtown; they should not be governed by rules more appropriate for a quiet residential street.

The economy is still lousy, and Mountain View should be bending over backward to help anyone wanting to bring jobs and tax revenue to your city. Please reconsider your decision on Stein's hours.

Good for Mountain View for figuring this out.


Jason
Whisman Station
on Jul 5, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Jason, Whisman Station
on Jul 5, 2012 at 2:26 pm

Agree with Bill Hough. Well done, City Council! Neighbors who are complaining have to realize that they live downtown, and that restauarant building and large outdoor patio existed when they bought. I have no sympathy.


Sparty
Shoreline West
on Jul 5, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Sparty, Shoreline West
on Jul 5, 2012 at 2:36 pm

Well I think we can expect endless noise complaints.

Wonder if they'll complain about freight trains all night and cal train in the mornings.

If nothing else a ratty eyesore will (hopefully) be remodeled. That place looked abandoned even when it was open as Golden Wok.

Welcome to downtown Mountain View...On the left you'll see ratty old house surrounded by chain link fencing, dark old doorways with plants growing out of control, over here we have an lot full of totalled cars, also note the tacky laser and neon signs that glow OPEN 24 hours a day, 14 of which are when the store is closed

Please do not disturb the people dressed like street walkers, those are club patrons and solicitation is a crime.

Enjoy your stay


@Sparty
The Crossings
on Jul 5, 2012 at 3:07 pm
@Sparty, The Crossings
on Jul 5, 2012 at 3:07 pm

You could move if you hate it so much. I am sure there is a line of people waiting to take over your place of residence.

Enjoy your new city


Sparty
Shoreline West
on Jul 5, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Sparty, Shoreline West
on Jul 5, 2012 at 3:52 pm

oh noes someone's sarcasm meter is broken. Or was never installed as optional equipment.

BTW when someone is aware of the history of Mt View's downtown, they might not be new to the city.

Just a tip


joe
Old Mountain View
on Jul 5, 2012 at 4:59 pm
joe, Old Mountain View
on Jul 5, 2012 at 4:59 pm

Parking? more people in town? need for more parking... how is that going to work?


CarterC
Old Mountain View
on Jul 6, 2012 at 2:06 pm
CarterC, Old Mountain View
on Jul 6, 2012 at 2:06 pm

"A person living in that building" would be affected, not effected, "by where they are living" and there's, not theres, "no way around it."


sparty
Shoreline West
on Jul 6, 2012 at 2:24 pm
sparty, Shoreline West
on Jul 6, 2012 at 2:24 pm

" 'A person living in that building" would be affected, not effected, "by where they are living" and there's, not theres, "no way around it. '"

Thank you for the stilted syntax professor. I enjoyed your unnecessary comma as well.


Drury
Willowgate
on Jul 6, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Drury, Willowgate
on Jul 6, 2012 at 3:06 pm

So let me get this right – to be across the street you must have moved in the last 2 years and freely chosen to live one block from Castro St. and half a block from the infamous Monte Carlo night club, half a block from the (BEER) garden of the Tied House brewery and directly across from the outdoor patio still present from the former Golden Wok.

And now you are complaining about noise?

You already chose to be surrounded by some of the city’s best (and worst) drinking establishment.

Surely this is exactly what you wanted?


DontDrink
Castro City
on Jul 8, 2012 at 5:26 am
DontDrink, Castro City
on Jul 8, 2012 at 5:26 am

One must always use caution when deciding if they want to live near problematic alcohol dispensaries. Many of these places have a history of repeatedly violent and unruly situations. You can see them reported here frequently. Location Location Location


haoleboy
Old Mountain View
on Jul 13, 2012 at 9:21 am
haoleboy, Old Mountain View
on Jul 13, 2012 at 9:21 am

So when, exactly, is the 'diligent' City council going to deal with the complaints(on-going) about the Monte Carlo? In a couple more years like they did with the Slimelite! Maybe after someone gets murdered after closing time.


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Sylvan Park

on Jun 5, 2017 at 5:40 pm
Name hidden, Sylvan Park

on Jun 5, 2017 at 5:40 pm

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