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Rengstorff area bike tour highlights need for safer streets

Mounted on their bikes, a group of residents and city officials rolled through the Rengstorff Park neighborhood on Saturday morning, stopping along the way to discus how to make the area more bike and pedestrian friendly.

Organized by Wendee Crofoot and Jarrett Mullen of Great Streets Rengstorff Park, the tour was attended by over 40 people, including school board member Steve Nelson, council members Ronit Bryant and Margaret Abe-Koga and community development director Randy Tsuda.

After a bike safety talk at the senior center, the group was off down Escuela Avenue to its first stop at the corner of California Street, the scene of the grisly high-speed collision that killed William Ware as he stood at a bus stop at Escuela.

California Street runs through the heart of the city's densest neighborhood, lined by apartment complexes, and is home to some of the city's poorest residents – "People who tend not to drive as much or may not have access to a car," Mullen said. "Yet, look at that street, it's wide, people are driving fast, this street just screams, 'Drive quickly!'"

Mullen pointed to the bus stop on the southeast corner of the intersection. "Someone plowed through here at 80 miles per hour, ran through the red light and killed someone at that bus stop. It had so much momentum it took out three trees," he said.

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The driver said he had swerved to avoid a car turning left onto California Street. Since Ware's death, "the city has taken a great first step with this new stoplight which has a protected left turn," Mullen said of the Escuela intersection. "But the corner could be tighter, the roadway could be narrower" to reduce car speeds.

California Street resident Valeria Craven, who works at Castro School, recalled the problems created by the previous stoplight. "Before it was very dangerous crossing the street because of the light, it was very very dangerous. Cars turning left would not always stop for pedestrians," Craven said. "We would say, 'Drivers, hey stop, we need to cross.'"

As for California Street, "If you want to take your bike, you have to take the sidewalk," Craven said, noting that the bike lanes are too narrow to feel safe riding between parked cars and cars going over 35 miles per hour.

Speeding cars may not notice the yellow crosswalks which signify the proximity of Castro elementary school and park, just 200 feet away. "It should be very easy to walk to that school, ride your bike to that school," Mullen said. "But the street design is sending a different message."

Later in the tour, Crofoot said of California Street, "it's marked 35, let's be honest, most people drive about 40. At 40 miles per hour if you are struck by a car you have an 85 percent chance of death and a 15 percent chance of injury, you will not walk away. This street is dangerous."

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Chance of death reduces dramatically at lower speeds. At 30 miles per hour there is a 40 percent chance of death, at 20 miles per hour there is only a 5 percent chance. The organizers of the tour have called for narrowing California Street from two lanes to one lane in each in each direction to reduce speeds while allowing for protected bike lanes on each side. A smoother flow of traffic would be made possible by adding a center left-turn lane. Public Works director Mike Fuller as said such a street design is adequate for current traffic counts, but may not be in the future, possibly increasing cut-through traffic on side streets.

As the tour turned down California Street, Mullen asked people to notice how it felt riding in the unprotected bike lane with cars whizzing by. "Would you let your kids ride down (California) street to school by themselves or would you be terrified?"

The tour stopped at Ortega Avenue, where Los Altos High School student Dana Meyerson told of being the victim of hit-and-run on her bike at California Street. She was able to walk away, but her bike suffered a bent rear wheel.

"I was biking along and this car just goes through (the intersection)," Meyerson said. "They see me and they hit my bike and they just drive off. Some people stopped and asked if I was OK, and I was like, 'Yeah.' I didn't bike much after it, partially because I was scared."

It was suggested by one attendee that a 911 call would be enough for the city to document the number of such incidents to illustrate a problem at an intersection. But a 911 call itself "does not generate any type of permanent report for documentation," said Lieutenant Greg Oselinksy, in an email.

"We do not take reports of non-injury or private property collision," he added. "In these cases, we refer people to our internet reporting system at www.mvpd.gov."

The tour rode down Latham Street to Escuela Avenue, where a car honked at the crowd as it crossed the busy four-way intersection controlled by a stop sign, near Castro elementary school.

"Who felt a little intimidated?" Mullen asked. "We face harassment. The message was, 'You don't belong here, why are you here, why are you in my way?'"

"It's one of the worst intersections!" shouted one of the riders in the group.

"If you are getting harassed, you aren't a bike-friendly community," Mullen said. "It forces people into cars, because they are scared. This isn't even a commute hour, this is a Saturday."

The tour stopped to hear from John Farrell, who owns Bumble Bee Health Foods store that has been at the intersection of Escuela and Latham since 1957.

For many years, "there were no stop signs on Escuela," Farrell said. "In the '90s it got really crazy. We were hearing squealing tires every day, near misses constantly. I see bicyclists hit, pedestrians hit. We've got this bird's eye view of this intersection. I call 911 all the time if something is happening."

"Two to three time a day we hear squealing brakes. They put a stop sign in the intersection, that made a huge difference," he said.

With Castro Elementary school 200 feet away, "We have a huge amount of students come through the intersection," said Elena Pacheco. "They bike and go to Los Altos High." She echoed Farrell's comments that it used to be much worse without the stop signs.

The next stop, on Chiquita Avenue, Stanford graduate student Ariel Mendez discussed his commute from the area to Stanford, highlighting obstacles many cyclists in the group were familiar with, particularly San Antonio shopping center.

When he hits bike-friendly Palo Alto – with its bike boulevards on quiet residential streets closed off to through car traffic – "it's both wonderful and it's heartbreaking because you can see how nice residential, bike-friendly neighborhoods can be and we just don't have them yet in Mountain View."

Mendez said his preferred route to Stanford is Latham Street to San Antonio Shopping Center, where he cuts through the loading are behind Walmart. Normally he'd ride by Trader Joe's, but because of construction going on, he says he goes past Chile's "and then I basically ride on the sidewalk of El Camino for half a block. Then there's that one block to get over to Fayette," which leads to a bike bridge over a creek into Palo Alto. "Basically a block of heart-pumping, really-alert, gotta-pay-attention" sort of riding.

His conclusions: "You'd have to be nut-case to ride your bike on El Camino" and "you shouldn't have to be an adrenaline junkie to want to ride your bike to work."

After a jaunt down California Street to Shoreline Boulevard, the group stopped at Vila and Shoreline.

"When I lived here (the the corner) nobody stopped when making a right turn here, including the police," said Jack Miller, standing on the southeast corner of the intersection. Miller sits on the board of the Silicon Valley Bike Coalition.

Miller and resident Thida Cornes talked about all the ways the intersection is dangerous. "I will actually go around the back of the police station and come under Shoreline and out the back by Microsoft (now Google). I almost never make this intersection anymore."

Miller than led the tour behind the police station and under the Shoreline overpass to show everyone the relatively peaceful detour.

After ride down Villa Street, a highly biked two lane street where Miller says cars have been found to average 34 miles per hour, the tour ended up back where it started, at the city's senior center on Escuela.

Mullen and Crofoot repeated a recommendation by council member Bryant that people attend at a joint meeting between the Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee and the City Council's transportation advisory committee meeting on Wednesday, March 6, at 6 p.m. in the library's community room at 585 Franklin Street.

"We can have a impact on the way we get around," Mullen said.

For more on the proposals made by Great Streets Rengstorff Park, see their website at greatstreetsrp.wordpress.com

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Rengstorff area bike tour highlights need for safer streets

by Daniel DeBolt / Mountain View Voice

Uploaded: Tue, Mar 5, 2013, 6:06 pm

Mounted on their bikes, a group of residents and city officials rolled through the Rengstorff Park neighborhood on Saturday morning, stopping along the way to discus how to make the area more bike and pedestrian friendly.

Organized by Wendee Crofoot and Jarrett Mullen of Great Streets Rengstorff Park, the tour was attended by over 40 people, including school board member Steve Nelson, council members Ronit Bryant and Margaret Abe-Koga and community development director Randy Tsuda.

After a bike safety talk at the senior center, the group was off down Escuela Avenue to its first stop at the corner of California Street, the scene of the grisly high-speed collision that killed William Ware as he stood at a bus stop at Escuela.

California Street runs through the heart of the city's densest neighborhood, lined by apartment complexes, and is home to some of the city's poorest residents – "People who tend not to drive as much or may not have access to a car," Mullen said. "Yet, look at that street, it's wide, people are driving fast, this street just screams, 'Drive quickly!'"

Mullen pointed to the bus stop on the southeast corner of the intersection. "Someone plowed through here at 80 miles per hour, ran through the red light and killed someone at that bus stop. It had so much momentum it took out three trees," he said.

The driver said he had swerved to avoid a car turning left onto California Street. Since Ware's death, "the city has taken a great first step with this new stoplight which has a protected left turn," Mullen said of the Escuela intersection. "But the corner could be tighter, the roadway could be narrower" to reduce car speeds.

California Street resident Valeria Craven, who works at Castro School, recalled the problems created by the previous stoplight. "Before it was very dangerous crossing the street because of the light, it was very very dangerous. Cars turning left would not always stop for pedestrians," Craven said. "We would say, 'Drivers, hey stop, we need to cross.'"

As for California Street, "If you want to take your bike, you have to take the sidewalk," Craven said, noting that the bike lanes are too narrow to feel safe riding between parked cars and cars going over 35 miles per hour.

Speeding cars may not notice the yellow crosswalks which signify the proximity of Castro elementary school and park, just 200 feet away. "It should be very easy to walk to that school, ride your bike to that school," Mullen said. "But the street design is sending a different message."

Later in the tour, Crofoot said of California Street, "it's marked 35, let's be honest, most people drive about 40. At 40 miles per hour if you are struck by a car you have an 85 percent chance of death and a 15 percent chance of injury, you will not walk away. This street is dangerous."

Chance of death reduces dramatically at lower speeds. At 30 miles per hour there is a 40 percent chance of death, at 20 miles per hour there is only a 5 percent chance. The organizers of the tour have called for narrowing California Street from two lanes to one lane in each in each direction to reduce speeds while allowing for protected bike lanes on each side. A smoother flow of traffic would be made possible by adding a center left-turn lane. Public Works director Mike Fuller as said such a street design is adequate for current traffic counts, but may not be in the future, possibly increasing cut-through traffic on side streets.

As the tour turned down California Street, Mullen asked people to notice how it felt riding in the unprotected bike lane with cars whizzing by. "Would you let your kids ride down (California) street to school by themselves or would you be terrified?"

The tour stopped at Ortega Avenue, where Los Altos High School student Dana Meyerson told of being the victim of hit-and-run on her bike at California Street. She was able to walk away, but her bike suffered a bent rear wheel.

"I was biking along and this car just goes through (the intersection)," Meyerson said. "They see me and they hit my bike and they just drive off. Some people stopped and asked if I was OK, and I was like, 'Yeah.' I didn't bike much after it, partially because I was scared."

It was suggested by one attendee that a 911 call would be enough for the city to document the number of such incidents to illustrate a problem at an intersection. But a 911 call itself "does not generate any type of permanent report for documentation," said Lieutenant Greg Oselinksy, in an email.

"We do not take reports of non-injury or private property collision," he added. "In these cases, we refer people to our internet reporting system at www.mvpd.gov."

The tour rode down Latham Street to Escuela Avenue, where a car honked at the crowd as it crossed the busy four-way intersection controlled by a stop sign, near Castro elementary school.

"Who felt a little intimidated?" Mullen asked. "We face harassment. The message was, 'You don't belong here, why are you here, why are you in my way?'"

"It's one of the worst intersections!" shouted one of the riders in the group.

"If you are getting harassed, you aren't a bike-friendly community," Mullen said. "It forces people into cars, because they are scared. This isn't even a commute hour, this is a Saturday."

The tour stopped to hear from John Farrell, who owns Bumble Bee Health Foods store that has been at the intersection of Escuela and Latham since 1957.

For many years, "there were no stop signs on Escuela," Farrell said. "In the '90s it got really crazy. We were hearing squealing tires every day, near misses constantly. I see bicyclists hit, pedestrians hit. We've got this bird's eye view of this intersection. I call 911 all the time if something is happening."

"Two to three time a day we hear squealing brakes. They put a stop sign in the intersection, that made a huge difference," he said.

With Castro Elementary school 200 feet away, "We have a huge amount of students come through the intersection," said Elena Pacheco. "They bike and go to Los Altos High." She echoed Farrell's comments that it used to be much worse without the stop signs.

The next stop, on Chiquita Avenue, Stanford graduate student Ariel Mendez discussed his commute from the area to Stanford, highlighting obstacles many cyclists in the group were familiar with, particularly San Antonio shopping center.

When he hits bike-friendly Palo Alto – with its bike boulevards on quiet residential streets closed off to through car traffic – "it's both wonderful and it's heartbreaking because you can see how nice residential, bike-friendly neighborhoods can be and we just don't have them yet in Mountain View."

Mendez said his preferred route to Stanford is Latham Street to San Antonio Shopping Center, where he cuts through the loading are behind Walmart. Normally he'd ride by Trader Joe's, but because of construction going on, he says he goes past Chile's "and then I basically ride on the sidewalk of El Camino for half a block. Then there's that one block to get over to Fayette," which leads to a bike bridge over a creek into Palo Alto. "Basically a block of heart-pumping, really-alert, gotta-pay-attention" sort of riding.

His conclusions: "You'd have to be nut-case to ride your bike on El Camino" and "you shouldn't have to be an adrenaline junkie to want to ride your bike to work."

After a jaunt down California Street to Shoreline Boulevard, the group stopped at Vila and Shoreline.

"When I lived here (the the corner) nobody stopped when making a right turn here, including the police," said Jack Miller, standing on the southeast corner of the intersection. Miller sits on the board of the Silicon Valley Bike Coalition.

Miller and resident Thida Cornes talked about all the ways the intersection is dangerous. "I will actually go around the back of the police station and come under Shoreline and out the back by Microsoft (now Google). I almost never make this intersection anymore."

Miller than led the tour behind the police station and under the Shoreline overpass to show everyone the relatively peaceful detour.

After ride down Villa Street, a highly biked two lane street where Miller says cars have been found to average 34 miles per hour, the tour ended up back where it started, at the city's senior center on Escuela.

Mullen and Crofoot repeated a recommendation by council member Bryant that people attend at a joint meeting between the Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee and the City Council's transportation advisory committee meeting on Wednesday, March 6, at 6 p.m. in the library's community room at 585 Franklin Street.

"We can have a impact on the way we get around," Mullen said.

For more on the proposals made by Great Streets Rengstorff Park, see their website at greatstreetsrp.wordpress.com

Comments

Garrett
another community
on Mar 5, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Garrett, another community
on Mar 5, 2013 at 6:25 pm

All roadway, bike lane and crosswalk users have to watch out for those everyday hazards. We are living like it is New York City but yet in reality we don't nearly have to people in one square but with the accidents, collision and traffic it seems that way.

Slow down not just speed, rushing around trying to get ahead of everyone else is not going to work. Bikes don't drive on the wrong side of the street, crosswalk walkers don't try to put your rights into play, make sure they see you, and most important stop. You rights might not be given but it is better to not be dead right.

Cars and bike owners, you are in motion, act with a degree that you must come to a quick stop at any given time, know your street. Where the schools are, crosswalks, bus stops, driveways and etc., I am most of you drive the same route everyday. Schools times are pretty much the same all over, so is rush hour.

Rush Hour doesn't mean rush to work, it just means everyone is heading to the same place, it should be called Commute Hour, not all street are filled with drivers heading to work, believe me I drive or a living, and I like to drive. The world is not in a constant state of people trying to get to and from work.

You have either moved here, born here or live in this area, their is a lot of drivers, kids, animals, work places and businesses. We benefit from all this in the way of business, nice homes, good schools and the jobs you are have. Get over it, slow down, change your habits be safe, be prepared, enjoy the walk, the ride, the drive that you have chosen for yourself.


Observer
Old Mountain View
on Mar 6, 2013 at 6:34 am
Observer, Old Mountain View
on Mar 6, 2013 at 6:34 am

Interesting. In a few of the pictures, the bicyclists aren't even obeying the rules of the road. That last picture show a small child riding against traffic in the middle of the road! Hardly the solution for safer streets for anyone.


BvP
another community
on Mar 6, 2013 at 8:31 am
BvP, another community
on Mar 6, 2013 at 8:31 am

"Interesting. In a few of the pictures, the bicyclists aren't even obeying the rules of the road."

Aside from the KID riding in the middle of the road, what other pictures are you referring to in which the cyclists are not obeying the rules of the road?


Winona
Shoreline West
on Mar 6, 2013 at 10:14 am
Winona, Shoreline West
on Mar 6, 2013 at 10:14 am

I can't comment on the photo, but I was on the ride and at all times we were cycling on the right and obeyed the law.


Observer
Old Mountain View
on Mar 6, 2013 at 10:15 am
Observer, Old Mountain View
on Mar 6, 2013 at 10:15 am

@BvP,

If I have to tell you, you must not know the rules of the road.


BvP
another community
on Mar 6, 2013 at 11:07 am
BvP, another community
on Mar 6, 2013 at 11:07 am
Otto Maddox
Monta Loma
on Mar 6, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Otto Maddox, Monta Loma
on Mar 6, 2013 at 2:33 pm

Here a rule of the road. Stay on the road. There are a couple shots showing people on their bikes on the sidewalk.

Funny how it's OK to block the sidewalk when you have members of the city council with you.

But if you're alone holding a sign on the sidewalk you get arrested like Ideafarm did a couple weeks ago.


BvP
another community
on Mar 6, 2013 at 3:03 pm
BvP, another community
on Mar 6, 2013 at 3:03 pm

Okay, you guys are nitpicking.

(1) We are talking about riding, not congregating on the sidewalk. Rules of the road should not be confused with being courteous. And it's an event where the folks stopped to talk to people along their route. It is not *much* different from pedestrians standing on the sidewalk and chatting. Outside of this event, I rarely see cyclists standing around on the sidewalk blocking anyone's way.

(2) Since when was the bike lane meant for single file? That is simply not true. When the bike lane is narrow, I agree with you. If it is wide enough for 2 abreast and it is safe for everyone that SHARES the road, there is nothing wrong with that. And FWIW, she is still in the bike lane.

If you want to b!tch about cyclists, why not moan about the late night (past 11 pm) St. Valentine's Day Massacre Ride a few weeks ago? Fifteen to 20 minutes of yelling, cursing and blaring music. That was inconsiderate in my opinion.

Just come out and say you don't like bicyclists. I ride 8,000+ miles per year and even I don't like most of them. But these folks did nothing wrong.


Tina
Castro City
on Mar 6, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Tina, Castro City
on Mar 6, 2013 at 3:40 pm

I think it's nice to see our council people out there checking things out before they make rules / laws. How about getting them out to the Shoreline & Middlefield Road intersection at "Commute Hour" and count the number of people speeding & running red lights. Or the Rengstorff & Central intersection & watch how backed up traffic gets. I applaud their wanting to see first-hand what is going on - keep it up, please!


kman
Monta Loma
on Mar 6, 2013 at 3:51 pm
kman, Monta Loma
on Mar 6, 2013 at 3:51 pm

Pic 5 says it all, inconsiderate bikers riding next to each other Yapping and not paying attention to what's going on around them. You can see a black Mercedes having to go into the other lane to try to avoid one of them.

Bikers need to ride in a single line, not this side by side thing.

Just goes to show how inconsiderate and rude bikers are.

Sorry for calling one of the persons fat, i'm sure there are a lot of people objecting to that, therefor i got deleted.

People, just can't bare the truth.


BvP
another community
on Mar 6, 2013 at 4:04 pm
BvP, another community
on Mar 6, 2013 at 4:04 pm

It looks to me like the black Mercedes is actually veering towards her, perhaps changing lanes.

But I think I get it now:

(1) No riding side by side...period.
(2) No talking while riding.
(3) No standing with your bike on the sidewalk.

I'm sure there is more.

I've been in this town for 40 years. When did people get so cranky? So many haters. It's a person on a friggin' bike. Sure, some are inconsiderate and self-centered. As are some motorists. As are some pedestrians. Do we really inconvenience you that much? There's less congestion on the roads, I would think most would appreciate that.

Unbelievable.


kman
Monta Loma
on Mar 6, 2013 at 4:43 pm
kman, Monta Loma
on Mar 6, 2013 at 4:43 pm

BvP, I don't see any blinkers on that car signalling a lane change, they are just being courteous and cautious for the bikers sake since obviously they care more about what they are talking about than their own safety.

It's quite obvious the bike lane is meant for one person at a time, not side by side, otherwise the person on the left my get hit. And then of course it's not the bikers fault.

I could care less if you ride a bike, walk or skateboard or use roller shoes. What i do have a problem with is people being rude, inconsiderate and not paying attention to there surroundings. Which is obviously the case in Pic 5.

Personally i would rather have someone take their car, rather than have them cause a bike/car accident, if they don't know how to ride a bike.


Member
Cuesta Park
on Mar 6, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Member, Cuesta Park
on Mar 6, 2013 at 5:59 pm

There seems to be a spate of bike haters on the comments. They were the kid that never could learn how to ride their bike, like Calvin in the comic strip. They were jeered at by the other kids and taunted with 'Can't Ride! Can't Ride!'.

Now they just troll The Voice.

The kid riding in the middle of the street? It's a dead end into a parking lot. The kid was protected by the photographer, who had his back to the non-existent traffic.


BvP
another community
on Mar 6, 2013 at 8:16 pm
BvP, another community
on Mar 6, 2013 at 8:16 pm

"... I don't see any blinkers on that car signalling a lane change..."

Maybe the driver is not using his or her blinkers. Not all drivers do. But you knew that. Then again, maybe you didn't. And I didn't say the driver was definitely changing lanes. The word "perhaps" should have been a clue.

And you missed my point about my riding. Not surprising...you miss a lot apparently.

I always think twice before getting out on the bike because of people like you. Fortunately, the people in this area in general are very considerate of cyclists. I appreciate those people.

Enjoy your couch.


Jeff Walden
Shoreline West
on Mar 7, 2013 at 2:16 am
Jeff Walden, Shoreline West
on Mar 7, 2013 at 2:16 am

I'll be that one weird guy -- a regular cyclist! -- who finds some of this overwrought. I acknowledge and even somewhat agree on the weirdness. :-) Biking on El Camino, as I do occasionally, isn't normal and likely shouldn't be. (And I've biked on much worse before, on a few very rare occasions, when necessity demanded it.) But even still some of this goes a little off the deep end.

Complaints about the California/Escuela incident seem batty. When someone's doing 80 on a residential road, like the police officer said at the October traffic safety meeting (I think it was about this incident): it's not because the laws are out of whack, it's not because of inadequate traffic enforcement, it's not because of a lot of things. It's an outlier laws can do nothing about. Bring down the hammer, hard, afterward. But before, what could you possibly do that's worth the money for any minuscule increment of prevention of such edge cases? Such stunts are a special class all their own.

Regarding "Yet, look at that street, it's wide, people are driving fast, this street just screams, 'Drive quickly!'" To me it says drive the limit like on any street. California's clearly a street for efficiently getting between Castro and San Antonio, possibly beyond. Why's it surprising cars use it that way? There's obvious demand for that end. What would they use instead if California flow lessened?

Regarding "As for California Street, 'If you want to take your bike, you have to take the sidewalk'" and "the bike lanes are too narrow [because of] parked cars and cars going over 35 miles per hour." A half foot or a foot of extra space past the parked cars would make a pretty big difference, particularly on the southern side of California just east of Rengstorff. I don't really like that bit, and I bike almost anywhere. But even if they're slightly narrower than desirable, California still has fair bike lanes both ways, and there's no reason for someone who bikes on roads with traffic to take the sidewalk. Biking on California's entirely reasonable; I do it all the time for groceries or to go to downtown Palo Alto. About 35-40mph California being "dangerous", um, well, it's got a normal limit for the kind of road it is. Is this to say any road with traffic above ~30mph is unbikable? Because that seems 1) unrealistic about how roads are used, and 2) crazy, to say we cyclists can *expect* to have super-low-speed roads. I'd be leery about letting an under-10 kid (if I had one) ride on it unattended, but I could see getting over that with some practice/training (which parents surely should do in any case).

About the Latham/Escuela honking: I think it depends how quickly they crossed the intersection. You should -- possibly not as a legal matter, but as a matter of getting along with everyone -- give a little to get a little. You shouldn't be shutting down the intersection to other traffic, rather at least occasionally giving a window for some cross traffic to get through. The pictures give some lower bounds on the crowd size but don't say how courteous they were in crossing the intersection. As vehicles they should cross about one or two (side-by-side) at a time, permitting traffic flow on both roads. There's something to be said for road-rules leeway (even if it's not actually legal, I suspect it's not but could be wrong) for bevies of bikes to cross in larger groups. But it has to give at some point. You can't keep the intersection closed for a huge group passing through a stop sign, most without stopping. There's too little detail about how they crossed. Maybe it was all perfectly legal or perfectly courteous, and it was an idiot (maybe semi-rushed) who'd honk at cyclists no matter how nice they were. Those people definitely exist. But just getting honked at doesn't necessarily and immediately shout "harassment!" to me. Those people exist everywhere: one incident of honking, that might (I don't know) be a little justifiable under a courteousness standard, can't possibly mean we're not a "bike-friendly community".

Regarding "You'd have to be nut-case to ride your bike on El Camino". I see no reason why experienced near-adult/adult cyclists can't occasionally (even perhaps regularly, if you're a bit motivated) bike on it. It's at the higher end of the danger scale; I'd definitely want anyone biking there having practiced road cycling some before doing it. But I don't think it's completely crazy. Definitely undesirable, with left turns especially demanding considerable care, but it's not a bike road. If we (speaking inclusive of Palo Alto and the enjoyable bike boulevard there) can have roads much for biking, cars should have roads much for cars, like El Camino, or Alma for that matter.

Regarding the "Villa left" past the police station under Shoreline. I take Shoreline nearly every day from southern Castro to where I live on Villa (the opposite on the way in). I agree this intersection's messy on bike. Unless you hit the breaks in traffic right, you're probably standing in the bike lane waiting for a break to move to the left turn lane. But it's a well-trafficked three-lanes-each-way road, one of the big ways to get north of Central and 101 in Mountain View. Doesn't this come with the terrain? (For making the left as a group, the roundabout way makes perfect sense. Big cyclist groups, traveling as groups, will never work well on bigger roads.)

Regarding Villa. Sure, ticket the speeders, maybe step up enforcement. I don't know what the tradeoffs are for that, or if it pays off (in the non-financial, safety/enjoyability sense), to say "should"/"must". But I've lived on Villa several years. Almost every day (80-90% of them) I bike, I bike along it. I honestly cannot remember any drivers along it ever having been the least bit courteous to me as a cyclist on the road. There's always going to be somebody (see the honking bit earlier). But Villa itself is way down the list of streets I've had any issues biking on, and it fares especially well for the moderate traffic on it.

Better roads for cycling would be nice, but cars need to get places too. California particularly is a useful road for car traffic to get to and from useful places, and it's really not that bad for cycling, although there are bits that could be improved. But there are physical limits, and monetary limits, on how much it can realistically change without unduly hurting other legitimate users. I'm a cyclist -- only (don't own a car) -- but I don't think cyclists need all that much help here. And I think some of what's considered here would unduly hurt cars, who have as much right to the road, and to efficient travel, as we do to enjoyable and safe travel.


kman
Monta Loma
on Mar 7, 2013 at 11:43 am
kman, Monta Loma
on Mar 7, 2013 at 11:43 am

BVP "The word "perhaps" should have been a clue" Your statement with the word perhaps was trying to change the obvious, therefor i was trying to clue you in a little better, but some people do not see the obvious even when it's in clear view.

"And you missed my point about my riding" So tell me, what did i miss about your riding bike point, that i haven't already answered?

I'm glad you think twice, that shows you have some concern about your safety, unlike some.

I'm not one to advocate more laws, but there should be a law against riding side by side in a bike lane, because it's obvious some people do not have common sense.

My words are not hatred at bikers, just pointing out the many problems us car folks have with some uncourteous rude bikers. If you ride your bike in a way that is safe, i'm totally cool with you, period. There is no hate.


Darin
Registered user
another community
on Mar 7, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Darin, another community
Registered user
on Mar 7, 2013 at 3:22 pm

I'm confused. We already have a law (CVC 21202(a)) that requires cyclists to "ride as close as practicable to the right-hand
curb or edge of the roadway" except under certain conditions. How would another law banning side-by-side riding in a bike lane change anything?

For that matter, narrow vehicles (e.g., motorcycles) can ride side-by-side in regular traffic lanes. Why can't narrow vehicles (e.g., bicycles) ride side-by-side in bike lanes?


Steve
Sylvan Park
on Mar 7, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Steve, Sylvan Park
on Mar 7, 2013 at 3:30 pm

Mr. Walden: What an unusually rational and well written post! Thank you!


Manny
Old Mountain View
on Mar 7, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Manny, Old Mountain View
on Mar 7, 2013 at 11:43 pm

I nominate Jeff Walden (never met him) as the voice of reason and de facto arbiter on all issues bike/ped/car.


Kman
Monta Loma
on Mar 8, 2013 at 11:52 am
Kman, Monta Loma
on Mar 8, 2013 at 11:52 am

"For that matter, narrow vehicles (e.g., motorcycles) can ride side-by-side in regular traffic lanes. Why can't narrow vehicles (e.g., bicycles) ride side-by-side in bike lanes?"

Good God, are you blind man? Maybe my common sense logic, is rocket science to some. I suggest you invest in a tape measure.


Janet L
Rex Manor
on Mar 8, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Janet L, Rex Manor
on Mar 8, 2013 at 1:51 pm

@Jeff Walden: From the point of view of an experienced, adult cyclist your comments are reasonable. But these changes are not being requested for people like you.

They're being requested for mothers who worry as they push their babies in strollers because cars are blowing by so fast. They're being requested for families with kids who want to ride their bikes to school. They're being requested for old people who can't cross streets safely even in the crosswalk because cars whip around corners too fast.

No one is asking that cars be prevented from using California St. We're just asking that the street be slowed down to a more reasonable speed than the usual 35-40 mph. No one needs to go that fast in a densely populated area with so many driveways and so many people walking and biking around.

People who want to make a quicker cross-town trip will be able to use nearby Central Expressway and El Camino if they don't want to drive a more pedestrian and bike-friendly speed on California Street. Those alternatives are within 1/4 mile each direction, that's less than a minute in a car.


100% bicycle commuter
another community
on Mar 8, 2013 at 6:30 pm
100% bicycle commuter, another community
on Mar 8, 2013 at 6:30 pm

@Jeff: I was going to write the same thing as @Janet. As an experienced bicyclist (I also have never owned a car), I don't need anything special built for me. The shoulder works fine, and I negotiate traffic with ease. (A rearview mirror helps.) In fact, I'm not particularly fond of special trails and painted areas for bicyclists. But the issue being discussed here is making the streets around an area of dense homes safe for pedestrians and children and casual bicyclists. Totally different issue than that on which your comment focused.


Observer
Old Mountain View
on Mar 8, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Observer, Old Mountain View
on Mar 8, 2013 at 6:36 pm

I saw a woman riding a bike up California toward Shoreline towing a cart full of groceries. In a basket attached to the handles bars was sitting a child with no helmet. What more do I need to say?


Wow
Whisman Station
on Mar 11, 2013 at 9:46 am
Wow, Whisman Station
on Mar 11, 2013 at 9:46 am

How can anyone ride a bike and drag a full shopping cart?! Impressive skill if it actually happened.


Janet L
Rex Manor
on Mar 11, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Janet L, Rex Manor
on Mar 11, 2013 at 2:14 pm

I drag a cart full of groceries on my bike (see link), but Observer wasn't talking about me since I don't have a kid. Web Link


Steve
Sylvan Park
on Mar 11, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Steve, Sylvan Park
on Mar 11, 2013 at 2:53 pm

As Mtn View density goes up, so do traffic and congestion (thank you, city). Reducing the traffic carrying capacity of California St, then suggesting drivers simply detour to already overcrowded parallel streets is not a workable idea.
Parents worried about your kids? Don't let them ride on the busy streets.


Rights is Right
The Crossings
on Mar 11, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Rights is Right, The Crossings
on Mar 11, 2013 at 3:30 pm

Steve, Sorry but the thinly veiled argument of "Don't like it? Well don't do it" or "Get out of my way" doesn't fly. Its akin to saying "Don't like getting your store robbed? Relocate"
How about walking? Any advice there similar to "stay of the busy streets"? Walking seems to be a good way to get killed by our less than attentive drivers lately.

Here's a better idea. We start ticketing drivers WAY more frequently and then we start revoking driver's lic's for aggressive driving. Its a right to be on a public street (where legal) for a bike or a pedestrian. Its a _privilege_ to be on the road in a car.


Aww. Bummer
Sylvan Park
on Mar 11, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Aww. Bummer, Sylvan Park
on Mar 11, 2013 at 3:32 pm

Janet, while I appreciate the fancy and specialized bike specific trailer, its hardly a shopping cart as was described in the anecdote.
Too bad, I actually wanted to see it :)


Jeff Walden
Shoreline West
on Mar 12, 2013 at 10:23 am
Jeff Walden, Shoreline West
on Mar 12, 2013 at 10:23 am

Janet, 100% bicycle commuter: yeah, I pretty much agree. (And on the rear-view mirror, too -- even if it shakes a little too much to rely on 100% for knowing exactly what's behind me, where.) Which is why, notwithstanding Manny's sentiments, it wouldn't be good for me to be some sort of point man for this. :-) Definitely more voices than just me, or someone like me, are needed.

But I'll continue to maintain that California's a reasonable street for kids to bike on, if they've been taught how to bike on roads with traffic. 35-40 with a bike lane alongside, for someone who's been coached a little, still seems perfectly fine to me. And to the extent I wish there were a little more lane in places, it's mostly because I'm moving along at 17-20mph, so I have to be more alert to cars entering road and doors opening. School-age kids would be going a good bit slower and would have greatly reduced issues from a smaller bike lane.


Jeff Walden
Shoreline West
on Mar 12, 2013 at 10:28 am
Jeff Walden, Shoreline West
on Mar 12, 2013 at 10:28 am

And while I'm thinking about it: to the extent California's unsuitable for kids to bike on it, what makes the residential streets parallel to it unsuitable for them as well? If it's just that there's no bike lane, it seems to me there's something seriously wrong with us if we can't let our kids experience even that minimal amount of risk.


Janet L
Rex Manor
on Mar 12, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Janet L, Rex Manor
on Mar 12, 2013 at 12:33 pm

@Jeff Walden, It's definitely about more than bike lanes on California Street. That was only one of a half dozen issues highlighted on the tour. The problem with 35-40 mph streets is not just that they're stressful for people riding bikes, the increased car speeds make crossing them very dangerous for people on foot or bike, even when they have the right of way.

When people drive fast, they cannot stop quickly to avoid collisions and the results are often deadly. At 40 mph a driver that attempts to stop for a person 100 feet ahead of them will be traveling 38 mph at impact and has about 85% change of killing the person. At 25 mph the driver has time to stop and not even hit the person.

Speed matters more in saving lives than saving time on our city streets. Want more evidence? See page 12 of this report from AAA: Web Link

As for parallel streets, most people use them when they can, but they don't work for all trips. And you still have to cross streets like California St, Shoreline, San Antonio and El Camino.


Steve
Sylvan Park
on Mar 12, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Steve, Sylvan Park
on Mar 12, 2013 at 3:41 pm

As Mr. Walden stated earlier, there are different roads for different types of traffic. California is a main vehicle artery, and has been for 40+ years. I'll wager there aren't 5 people still living there who remember it being any different. Practically speaking, everyone living on California moved there with full knowledge of the traffic situation.
The speed limit is still the same, and given the increase in traffic volume city wide, I suspect the average speed has fallen over the years. From a speed perspective, California street might actually be safer?
So what accounts for the increase in car/ped (or bike) contact? We hear alot about our increasing density. Perhaps that reffers to the average resident and not just our increasing numbers. Reducing lanes or lowering the limit won't help us with that!


California Dan
Old Mountain View
on Mar 12, 2013 at 4:19 pm
California Dan, Old Mountain View
on Mar 12, 2013 at 4:19 pm

People's attitudes on the road were much different than they are today. 40 yrs ago people weren't concerned with passing the other guy and staying ahead of him. As a 2 x daily user of Calif. Ave this is by far the biggest issue of safety I see: cars darting from one lane to the other the keep ahead or be in some sort of lead in their imaginary race. Every single day I see it each and every time I'm on that road. I whole heartedly welcome traffic calming on Calif Ave. PLEASE! Lets get it done before someone runs into me next time.


Jarrett M.
Castro City
on Mar 14, 2013 at 12:22 am
Jarrett M., Castro City
on Mar 14, 2013 at 12:22 am

@ Steve,

California street only operates somewhat well for drivers. The lack of a center turn lane along most of the street causes sudden and unexpected backups because people often make left turns into the numerous apartment complexes on the street. These stops and inevitable merges from people waiting behind those who are turning left creates not only a dangerous situation, but it causes traffic delay.

While it seems counterintuitive, the road diet solution often improves traffic flow on streets like California because there's enough space for a new center turn lane, allowing people to clear the through lanes. Speeds will go down, but a driver may actually be able to traverse the street *faster* than before since a lower consistant speed is faster than a trip punctuated by periods of high speed and sudden stops.

Of course, the road diet would also provide a much more livable street for the city's densest neighborhood, provide opportunities for new landscaping, tree planting opportunities, and safer intersections for cyclists and pedestrians. There are many city services in the area that are oriented to populations who don't drive as much, such as the elderly and kids, so it's important that the road design take their needs into account as well. Providing choices for safe, active, and healthy mobility is especially key for our growing senior population and given climbing childhood obesity rates, it's increasingly important for youth.



No diet needed
Monta Loma
on Mar 14, 2013 at 1:14 pm
No diet needed, Monta Loma
on Mar 14, 2013 at 1:14 pm

Janet, road diets do not work, look at Arastradero Rd. That is a nightmare, just ask anyone that travels there. Only thing road diets do is move traffic to parallel streets going the same way. Yes, the residential streets, where kids play.

If there is a problem with cars making left turns, then restrict it to where there is a u turn accessible.


Steve
Sylvan Park
on Mar 14, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Steve, Sylvan Park
on Mar 14, 2013 at 2:33 pm

Trimming lanes in order to improve traffic flow is not only counter-intuitive, but also counter-productive. Lok at Evelyn Ave in Sunnyvale. What was once a nicely flowing traffic corridor is now a jammed mess around peak times.
If 'studies indicate...', I suggest we look a little more closely at their statistics and the motives of those pushing them. Do they show a reduction in traffic volume? If so, what route are the missing cars now taking? And beware the term 'negligable', it is very different than 'none'. If we're concerned about the sudden disruption from left turns, then limit the opportunity for left turns.


Palo
another community
on Mar 14, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Palo, another community
on Mar 14, 2013 at 2:36 pm

Road diets don't work if all your concerned with is speed. I LOVE that they put Arastradero on a diet. My commute is FAR less stressful now that everyone is in a single line. Just be patient and cruise.
I use the dieted Arastradero every day sing the praises almost daily of that road improvement.


Simon
Old Mountain View
on Mar 14, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Simon, Old Mountain View
on Mar 14, 2013 at 3:08 pm

@ No Diet needed,
I do occasionally travel Arastradero and have not seen the "nightmare" you mention... undeterred I spoke to a commuter, who "travels" there (so also meets your criteria), he told me that the road diet had improved the flow - and he drives it daily.

Where is the nightmare you speak of?

I looked on google maps, it's peak travel time for the three schools on that road and the whole street is green... maybe all those kids in the bike lane has reduced traffic.
Think about it how many students on a bike does it take to eliminate 100 car journeys a week ?

Safety is the main goal but traffic reduction is not a bad side effect.

(ans - 5)
Each student arriving in a car generates 4 trips a day, 20 a week.


No diet needed
Monta Loma
on Mar 14, 2013 at 4:53 pm
No diet needed, Monta Loma
on Mar 14, 2013 at 4:53 pm

Talk to the people that live on the side streets, ask them were all the new traffic came from since the diet went into effect. Early mornings is the prime example. I know of people that will take Embarcadero rather then deal with the mess on Arastradero.

But i agree, on Sundays it's quite nice.


Ari
another community
on Mar 15, 2013 at 8:25 am
Ari, another community
on Mar 15, 2013 at 8:25 am

"But i agree, on Sundays it's quite nice."
The data reported was peak time Thursday afternoon. It seems the factual data is the worst enemy of the anti-road-dieter. Now we have to knock on doors of particular streets to find some nimbys? No thanks, I'll stick with the factual data provided 24/7 by realtime observations online showing the arastradero road improvement succes.


No diet needed
Monta Loma
on Mar 15, 2013 at 12:22 pm
No diet needed, Monta Loma
on Mar 15, 2013 at 12:22 pm

@ari, you believe what you want to believe, but do you really think the traffic just magically disappeared? No. If you're factual data shows that it did, please let us see. The truth is the side streets get hit the hardest because of these diets, like los altos ave. That is probably one area your biased studies do not show.

Road diet is like plaque build up in your arteries, an inconvenience to block free flow.


Dietician
Blossom Valley
on Mar 15, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Dietician, Blossom Valley
on Mar 15, 2013 at 2:19 pm

Road diets keep _roads_ from turning into freeways.
Lets get skinny!


Steve
Sylvan Park
on Mar 15, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Steve, Sylvan Park
on Mar 15, 2013 at 2:41 pm

And let's ignore common sense and our own eyes, and believe that eliminating traffic lanes will improve traffic flow. It may yield the impression of better flow, as drivers seek alternate paths. Yet the traffic hasn't vanished. It's merely taking a parallel path, probably through a neighborhood that wasn't designed for it. Let's also denounce anyone upset about that increase as a 'nimby'. How dare they complain about such wonderful progress!
VTA is planning to remove one lane each way from El Camino, from San Jose to Palo Alto. Even with the (supposed) improvement in bus service, El Camino will be plain nasty. Traffic bypassing the mess will travel through adjacent neighborhoods. Will we still believe that removing lanes will improve carrying capacity?


Wonking the Wonks
Gemello
on Mar 15, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Wonking the Wonks, Gemello
on Mar 15, 2013 at 3:36 pm

"And let's ignore common sense and our own eyes, and believe that eliminating traffic lanes will improve traffic flow."
Just to put people back on track, the article was about improving safety for pedestrians and cyclists, not for increasing traffic flow.

Also re: "VTA is planning to remove one lane each way from El Camino, from San Jose to Palo Alto."
VTA has zero authority to do such a thing. Who told you this and why do you think it will happen?


Darin
Registered user
another community
on Mar 18, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Darin, another community
Registered user
on Mar 18, 2013 at 3:16 pm

Wonking the Wonks, here's an article from a few months ago that reports VTA's plans for El Camino Real:

VTA OKs study of dedicated bus lanes in MV
Bus Rapid Transit would eliminate two lanes of traffic from El Camino, add bike lanes
Web Link


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