Downtown Mountain View struggles with high vacancy rates as businesses adjust to post-pandemic world

A pedestrian walks by the closed Rocket Fizz location in downtown Mountain View on April 24, 2023. Photo by Magali Gauthier.

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Downtown Mountain View struggles with high vacancy rates as businesses adjust to post-pandemic world

A pedestrian walks by the closed Rocket Fizz location in downtown Mountain View on April 24, 2023. Photo by Magali Gauthier.

At the corner of Castro and West Dana streets in downtown Mountain View, a storefront sits empty on a quiet spring weekday, its windows boarded up with brown paper.

Those windows used to belong to Rocket Fizz, and were once filled with colorful candy and neon signs, inviting passersby to come try a sweet treat.

The soda and candy shop closed more than four years ago and has been vacant ever since, the Rocket Fizz logo still mounted above a fading red awning. But soon, the space will finally become home to a new Castro Street eatery, Nick the Greek.

As the COVID-19 pandemic ravaged the economy, retail vacancy rates in downtown Mountain View hit 13.6% in 2021 – a peak significantly higher than anything the city has witnessed in recent history.

Since then, things have improved: Per the most recent data, the percentage of empty retail storefronts downtown has fallen to 9.4%, and new additions to Castro Street, like Nick the Greek, are eventually filling spots that have sat empty for years.

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But the number of vacant properties is still higher than pre-pandemic, indicating that downtown has a longer road to recovery.

Meanwhile, business owners must find ways to adapt to a post-pandemic shift in buying behavior that’s not going away any time soon, the city’s Economic Vitality Manager John Lang said in an interview.

“We’re seeing a lot of vacancy in the downtown office market,” Lang added, “so we’re losing headcount in the downtown that supports some of these operations.”

For some small business owners, this perfect storm forced them to close their doors for good. Others moved away from Castro Street to parts of the city where the cost of doing business is more manageable. And others continue to hang on by finding creative ways to stay afloat downtown.

“Retail is changing,” Lang said. “And it has to re-prove itself in Mountain View.”

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Small business owner Juan Origel felt the changes in consumers’ buying patterns almost instantly when the world shut down in March 2020. Origel owns Ava’s Downtown Market, a grocery store located right in the heart of the pedestrian mall on Castro Street.

When the stay-at-home order first came into effect, people across the nation started downloading apps like Instacart and DoorDash so they could access groceries from the safety of home. But for small, independent grocery stores like Ava’s, that shift was immensely challenging to compete with.

Though stay-at-home orders are now a thing of the past, Origel said people are still opting for the convenience of app-based grocery delivery over shopping in person. He said his customers ask if he could start offering these types of services at Ava’s, but the cost to join popular delivery platforms is too high a barrier for a small, brick-and-mortar shop.

Juan Origel, owner of Ava's Downtown Market & Deli, shows how items are restocked in the Mountain View store on April 24, 2023. Photo by Magali Gauthier.

“To be on a platform is costly,” Origel said. “It takes money. And for a small business like me, it actually adds more manpower needed. You’ve got to take special inventory to let these companies know – they require that you have 90% inventory accuracy in order to fulfill the orders.”

According to a report released earlier this year by PYMNTS, which produces data and research on the platforms that power the economy, “the pandemic upended how consumers shop for everyday items.”

“Traditional grocery stores no longer dominate the market, and most shoppers now buy at least some of their groceries online,” the study found.

Origel said he’s also felt the impact of neighboring businesses going under or moving away from Castro Street.

“Something that I also hear from my patrons is the lack of other destination retail businesses,” Origel said. “An example I can share with you was the music store, West Valley Music. We feel their absence. I remember a few customers coming into my business after visiting the music store, and I am sure some restaurant owners share the same sentiments.”

West Valley Music moved away from Castro Street about a year ago to a new location on El Camino Real. Diana Tucker, West Valley’s owner, said she decided to move her store because the overhead costs of doing business on Castro Street became too high.

“The rent is tremendously less,” Tucker said of her new location. “I wouldn’t have done this had the rent not been less, because that’s what I need to pay down all the expenses from the loans to get through the pandemic.”

Like Origel at Ava’s Market, Tucker said West Valley Music also faces significant challenges in trying to compete with the rise of online retail.

“It’s taken most of the music stores in the area out,” Tucker said of online retail. “It’s just a shift in the way people do business. … People are getting more and more comfortable, especially over the pandemic, with doing all their transactions online.”

One way that West Valley Music distinguishes itself from online retailers is by providing services alongside the retail shopping experience: Things like music lessons, hosting events or simply allowing customers to come see what they’re buying in person before making a decision. Especially when it comes to an expensive purchase like a musical instrument, Tucker said, “coming into the store really helps.”

The exterior of the East West bookshop in Mountain View on July 2, 2019. Photo by Sadie Stinson

East West Bookshop on Castro Street takes a similar approach, owner David Gamow told the Voice. While scores of other locally owned bookstores have shuttered in the wake of Amazon’s rise, East West is still going strong by offering more than just books.

“I mean, on a Friday night, nobody says, ‘What do you want to do tonight? I know, let’s click on Amazon.’ That’s not a pass time,” Gamow said with a laugh.

When people come to East West, Gamow said it’s not just to shop, but to experience the store. It’s a destination.

“The energy of the place is terrific,” he said. “We play gorgeous music, everything you see is beautiful.”

“So I think that stores need to differentiate themselves from online,” he continued. “If all you’re doing is selling merchandise, why would someone go to your brick-and-mortar place?”

Origel said that’s exactly why it’s important for spaces like Ava’s Market to exist in downtown Mountain View. It’s more than just a grocery store, but also a gathering spot for community.

“Back in the day, you had your grocer, you had your butcher, you had your produce stand,” Origel said.

Today, those types of businesses have been largely swapped for the supermarket: The one-stop shop to buy groceries or just about anything else you might need. Supermarkets may be convenient, but they don’t capture that locally made feeling that places like Ava’s do, Origel said.

“Here, my idea was to have a meat department, a little sandwich joint, high-quality, local produce,” he said. “Small grocery stores, we are truly the incubator for anybody that’s a small food start-up. If you want to go pitch to Whole Foods, they’re going to tell you to go away.”

But despite all the benefits that local shops bring to the community, Origel said he’s still struggling to keep his business afloat.

“Of course I worry about the future, as it is uncertain,” Origel said. “However, one way to assure the wellbeing and success of any business (is) for its neighbors and patrons to recognize the added values that a local shop brings to their community, and to make sure they support it.”

“Bottom line, if people don’t want to see boarded up storefronts, they need to make a conscientious effort to visit, shop and support these businesses.”

Juan Origel, owner of Ava's Downtown Market & Deli, in the Mountain View store on April 24, 2023. Photo by Magali Gauthier.

Supporting small businesses

Business owners aren’t in it alone as they adapt to a post-pandemic world. Both the city and the Mountain View Chamber of Commerce are doing work behind the scenes trying to get new tenants into empty storefronts, as well as ensure that the businesses that already call downtown home continue to thrive.

One way the city is mitigating the high number of vacancies is offering more exposure for property owners, as well as connecting with potential new businesses to share what downtown has to offer.

“For instance, some property owners don’t do a tremendous amount of marketing about their property. They may have a sign up that basically says, ‘Call,’” Economic Vitality Manager Lang said.

Retail vacancy rates in downtown Mountain View are higher than elsewhere in the city, and hit a peak in 2021 at 13.6%. Chart courtesy city of Mountain View.

To help bridge the gap between property and business owners, city staff created an online list of vacant properties to show what’s available. The city also hosts meetings with local brokers to show what’s open, both in downtown and elsewhere in Mountain View.

“We are trying to market the properties and give greater notice to people who are looking for those sites,” Lang said, “to give an amplified lift to some of the property owners who may not be making an investment in a broker, but we’re trying to put it out to the broker community, ‘Hey, there’s opportunities here.’”

There’s also been talk at the city level of potentially implementing a vacant property registry, similar to what cities like San Francisco have created. When a storefront becomes vacant in San Francisco, its owners must register it within 30 days, and re-register it for every year it remains vacant – and each time it’s registered, the property owners must pay a hefty fee.

“Some people are referring to it as a vacancy tax,” Lang said. “But really (we’re) trying to understand, what are the opportunities to motivate some private property owners to be more proactive in how they market their property and present those opportunities.”

The city is also looking at ways to make empty storefronts more attractive while they’re vacant. The Mountain View City Council recently adopted a facade improvement program, which will give out grants to local owners that want to improve the look of their storefront.

An exterior of the shuttered Rumblefish in downtown Mountain View on April 24, 2023. Photo by Magali Gauthier.

“That will actually allow a property owner, if they’re trying to attract a new opportunity, to do a storefront improvement – specifically a storefront activation,” Lang said. “Meaning, maybe putting something up in the windows that catches more interest in their property.”

The city and the chamber of commerce have also partnered with property owners downtown to add visual interest to their windows while a store is empty.

“Last year we were able to get one property owner that was willing to open up their doors and activate their storefront window with Theater Works costumes,” Lang said. “It was a way to say, ‘Hey, there’s an upcoming performance happening.’”

Keeping businesses alive

A customer browses products for sale at Ava's Downtown Market & Deli in Mountain View on April 24, 2023. Photo by Magali Gauthier.

On the other side of the equation, both the city and the chamber are doing what they can to make sure current businesses don’t become downtown’s next vacant storefront.

“How do you keep the businesses alive on Castro, and how do you get them to survive?” said Peter Katz, chamber president and CEO. “The first thing we need to do downtown is to make sure our downtown businesses that exist today are happy, and healthy, and thriving.”

On the consumer-facing side, the chamber puts on events year-round to promote what local businesses have to offer.

“At Christmas time we did the Santathon, and we did the Elf on a Shelf hunt. We did one for St. Patrick’s Day, a ‘find the shamrock,’” Katz said. “The whole purpose of what we’re trying to do downtown with our events is to actually get people to go into the storefronts.”

The chamber also works directly with owners on their business practices, helping them launch successful social media support, sell their products online, or navigate the city’s permitting process.

But more than anything, Katz said, what small businesses need to stay alive is the support of their patrons.

“Come downtown, that’s the real message,” Katz said. “It’s coming back, and it needs people more than ever. It’s one of those self fulfilling prophecies: The more people we get, the more vibrant it is.”

Pedestrians walk by customers dining at tables placed on the street in downtown Mountain View on July 2, 2020. Photo by Magali Gauthier.

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Downtown Mountain View struggles with high vacancy rates as businesses adjust to post-pandemic world

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At the corner of Castro and West Dana streets in downtown Mountain View, a storefront sits empty on a quiet spring weekday, its windows boarded up with brown paper.

Those windows used to belong to Rocket Fizz, and were once filled with colorful candy and neon signs, inviting passersby to come try a sweet treat.

The soda and candy shop closed more than four years ago and has been vacant ever since, the Rocket Fizz logo still mounted above a fading red awning. But soon, the space will finally become home to a new Castro Street eatery, Nick the Greek.

As the COVID-19 pandemic ravaged the economy, retail vacancy rates in downtown Mountain View hit 13.6% in 2021 – a peak significantly higher than anything the city has witnessed in recent history.

Since then, things have improved: Per the most recent data, the percentage of empty retail storefronts downtown has fallen to 9.4%, and new additions to Castro Street, like Nick the Greek, are eventually filling spots that have sat empty for years.

But the number of vacant properties is still higher than pre-pandemic, indicating that downtown has a longer road to recovery.

Meanwhile, business owners must find ways to adapt to a post-pandemic shift in buying behavior that’s not going away any time soon, the city’s Economic Vitality Manager John Lang said in an interview.

“We’re seeing a lot of vacancy in the downtown office market,” Lang added, “so we’re losing headcount in the downtown that supports some of these operations.”

For some small business owners, this perfect storm forced them to close their doors for good. Others moved away from Castro Street to parts of the city where the cost of doing business is more manageable. And others continue to hang on by finding creative ways to stay afloat downtown.

“Retail is changing,” Lang said. “And it has to re-prove itself in Mountain View.”

Staying afloat

Small business owner Juan Origel felt the changes in consumers’ buying patterns almost instantly when the world shut down in March 2020. Origel owns Ava’s Downtown Market, a grocery store located right in the heart of the pedestrian mall on Castro Street.

When the stay-at-home order first came into effect, people across the nation started downloading apps like Instacart and DoorDash so they could access groceries from the safety of home. But for small, independent grocery stores like Ava’s, that shift was immensely challenging to compete with.

Though stay-at-home orders are now a thing of the past, Origel said people are still opting for the convenience of app-based grocery delivery over shopping in person. He said his customers ask if he could start offering these types of services at Ava’s, but the cost to join popular delivery platforms is too high a barrier for a small, brick-and-mortar shop.

“To be on a platform is costly,” Origel said. “It takes money. And for a small business like me, it actually adds more manpower needed. You’ve got to take special inventory to let these companies know – they require that you have 90% inventory accuracy in order to fulfill the orders.”

According to a report released earlier this year by PYMNTS, which produces data and research on the platforms that power the economy, “the pandemic upended how consumers shop for everyday items.”

“Traditional grocery stores no longer dominate the market, and most shoppers now buy at least some of their groceries online,” the study found.

Origel said he’s also felt the impact of neighboring businesses going under or moving away from Castro Street.

“Something that I also hear from my patrons is the lack of other destination retail businesses,” Origel said. “An example I can share with you was the music store, West Valley Music. We feel their absence. I remember a few customers coming into my business after visiting the music store, and I am sure some restaurant owners share the same sentiments.”

West Valley Music moved away from Castro Street about a year ago to a new location on El Camino Real. Diana Tucker, West Valley’s owner, said she decided to move her store because the overhead costs of doing business on Castro Street became too high.

“The rent is tremendously less,” Tucker said of her new location. “I wouldn’t have done this had the rent not been less, because that’s what I need to pay down all the expenses from the loans to get through the pandemic.”

Like Origel at Ava’s Market, Tucker said West Valley Music also faces significant challenges in trying to compete with the rise of online retail.

“It’s taken most of the music stores in the area out,” Tucker said of online retail. “It’s just a shift in the way people do business. … People are getting more and more comfortable, especially over the pandemic, with doing all their transactions online.”

One way that West Valley Music distinguishes itself from online retailers is by providing services alongside the retail shopping experience: Things like music lessons, hosting events or simply allowing customers to come see what they’re buying in person before making a decision. Especially when it comes to an expensive purchase like a musical instrument, Tucker said, “coming into the store really helps.”

East West Bookshop on Castro Street takes a similar approach, owner David Gamow told the Voice. While scores of other locally owned bookstores have shuttered in the wake of Amazon’s rise, East West is still going strong by offering more than just books.

“I mean, on a Friday night, nobody says, ‘What do you want to do tonight? I know, let’s click on Amazon.’ That’s not a pass time,” Gamow said with a laugh.

When people come to East West, Gamow said it’s not just to shop, but to experience the store. It’s a destination.

“The energy of the place is terrific,” he said. “We play gorgeous music, everything you see is beautiful.”

“So I think that stores need to differentiate themselves from online,” he continued. “If all you’re doing is selling merchandise, why would someone go to your brick-and-mortar place?”

Origel said that’s exactly why it’s important for spaces like Ava’s Market to exist in downtown Mountain View. It’s more than just a grocery store, but also a gathering spot for community.

“Back in the day, you had your grocer, you had your butcher, you had your produce stand,” Origel said.

Today, those types of businesses have been largely swapped for the supermarket: The one-stop shop to buy groceries or just about anything else you might need. Supermarkets may be convenient, but they don’t capture that locally made feeling that places like Ava’s do, Origel said.

“Here, my idea was to have a meat department, a little sandwich joint, high-quality, local produce,” he said. “Small grocery stores, we are truly the incubator for anybody that’s a small food start-up. If you want to go pitch to Whole Foods, they’re going to tell you to go away.”

But despite all the benefits that local shops bring to the community, Origel said he’s still struggling to keep his business afloat.

“Of course I worry about the future, as it is uncertain,” Origel said. “However, one way to assure the wellbeing and success of any business (is) for its neighbors and patrons to recognize the added values that a local shop brings to their community, and to make sure they support it.”

“Bottom line, if people don’t want to see boarded up storefronts, they need to make a conscientious effort to visit, shop and support these businesses.”

Supporting small businesses

Business owners aren’t in it alone as they adapt to a post-pandemic world. Both the city and the Mountain View Chamber of Commerce are doing work behind the scenes trying to get new tenants into empty storefronts, as well as ensure that the businesses that already call downtown home continue to thrive.

One way the city is mitigating the high number of vacancies is offering more exposure for property owners, as well as connecting with potential new businesses to share what downtown has to offer.

“For instance, some property owners don’t do a tremendous amount of marketing about their property. They may have a sign up that basically says, ‘Call,’” Economic Vitality Manager Lang said.

To help bridge the gap between property and business owners, city staff created an online list of vacant properties to show what’s available. The city also hosts meetings with local brokers to show what’s open, both in downtown and elsewhere in Mountain View.

“We are trying to market the properties and give greater notice to people who are looking for those sites,” Lang said, “to give an amplified lift to some of the property owners who may not be making an investment in a broker, but we’re trying to put it out to the broker community, ‘Hey, there’s opportunities here.’”

There’s also been talk at the city level of potentially implementing a vacant property registry, similar to what cities like San Francisco have created. When a storefront becomes vacant in San Francisco, its owners must register it within 30 days, and re-register it for every year it remains vacant – and each time it’s registered, the property owners must pay a hefty fee.

“Some people are referring to it as a vacancy tax,” Lang said. “But really (we’re) trying to understand, what are the opportunities to motivate some private property owners to be more proactive in how they market their property and present those opportunities.”

The city is also looking at ways to make empty storefronts more attractive while they’re vacant. The Mountain View City Council recently adopted a facade improvement program, which will give out grants to local owners that want to improve the look of their storefront.

“That will actually allow a property owner, if they’re trying to attract a new opportunity, to do a storefront improvement – specifically a storefront activation,” Lang said. “Meaning, maybe putting something up in the windows that catches more interest in their property.”

The city and the chamber of commerce have also partnered with property owners downtown to add visual interest to their windows while a store is empty.

“Last year we were able to get one property owner that was willing to open up their doors and activate their storefront window with Theater Works costumes,” Lang said. “It was a way to say, ‘Hey, there’s an upcoming performance happening.’”

Keeping businesses alive

On the other side of the equation, both the city and the chamber are doing what they can to make sure current businesses don’t become downtown’s next vacant storefront.

“How do you keep the businesses alive on Castro, and how do you get them to survive?” said Peter Katz, chamber president and CEO. “The first thing we need to do downtown is to make sure our downtown businesses that exist today are happy, and healthy, and thriving.”

On the consumer-facing side, the chamber puts on events year-round to promote what local businesses have to offer.

“At Christmas time we did the Santathon, and we did the Elf on a Shelf hunt. We did one for St. Patrick’s Day, a ‘find the shamrock,’” Katz said. “The whole purpose of what we’re trying to do downtown with our events is to actually get people to go into the storefronts.”

The chamber also works directly with owners on their business practices, helping them launch successful social media support, sell their products online, or navigate the city’s permitting process.

But more than anything, Katz said, what small businesses need to stay alive is the support of their patrons.

“Come downtown, that’s the real message,” Katz said. “It’s coming back, and it needs people more than ever. It’s one of those self fulfilling prophecies: The more people we get, the more vibrant it is.”

Comments

Dave Smith
Registered user
Old Mountain View
on Jun 3, 2023 at 12:58 am
Dave Smith, Old Mountain View
Registered user
on Jun 3, 2023 at 12:58 am

I would argue the shutting down of Castro to cars has hurt businesses that are not restaurants. It is also a waste during rain season! [Portion removed due to disrespectful comment or offensive language]


Dubs
Registered user
North Whisman
on Jun 3, 2023 at 8:05 am
Dubs, North Whisman
Registered user
on Jun 3, 2023 at 8:05 am

Can we talk about the real issue here? If rent wasn't so absurdly high on Castro Street, you would get more small businesses moving in. It's because the rent is so expensive that no one wants to open up a storefront on Castro anymore especially with the low foot traffic. I am a local small business owner myself and would love to have a storefront on Castro street, but I can't afford the $6-8k a month in rent. Work with the property owners to lower the rent and more businesses will naturally fill in the vacancies.


Dave G.
Registered user
Rengstorff Park
on Jun 3, 2023 at 8:41 am
Dave G., Rengstorff Park
Registered user
on Jun 3, 2023 at 8:41 am

Agreed, I stopped going there after the car street parking was removed. It's just too difficult for a family or worse yet a family with a child that has a disability in my case. To the powers that be they keep iterating that everyone should just bike there or not use cars, sigh, I here the same argument over and over in the bay area as they continue to discriminate against families with little ones and those that have no option but to drive.


Bernie Brightman
Registered user
Whisman Station
on Jun 3, 2023 at 9:03 am
Bernie Brightman, Whisman Station
Registered user
on Jun 3, 2023 at 9:03 am

Agree with others that having the street closed is a pain in the A.

But if they are going to close the street, they should at least police it. It's supposed to be a no-bikes zone, but people are riding bikes in there all the time. It's not pleasant walking through there knowing that any moment you might have some dude riding a bike up your A while he's instead looking at his phone.


MV Resident
Registered user
Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2023 at 4:22 pm
MV Resident, Another Mountain View Neighborhood
Registered user
on Jun 3, 2023 at 4:22 pm

Look around all of Mountain View and there are quite a bit of vacant or empty storefronts fenced in and in some cases awaiting redevelopment for years (the old Chevy’s site on El Camino, for example). It’s getting to be a bit much - the solutions need to get out of committees, and into action. Sure, some of it can be chalked up to bad business models (a store selling gimmicky sugar and sugar water concoctions downtown… no idea why that didn’t work out in the 2020s… ;) or transitions like the pedestrian mall… but we have got to either get viable businesses into these places and get things moving again, or realize the businesses aren’t coming back and redevelop. And don’t put it all on taxpayers… owners need to realize that high rent but no tenant equals zero rent, and figure out rates that are actually viable.


ivg
Registered user
Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jun 4, 2023 at 12:37 pm
ivg, Another Mountain View Neighborhood
Registered user
on Jun 4, 2023 at 12:37 pm

If a lack of wheelchair-accessible parking is a problem, the city should add more handicapped spots in the off-street lots. Removing the ~20 curbside parking spots didn't cause a single real problem.


ivg
Registered user
Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jun 4, 2023 at 12:39 pm
ivg, Another Mountain View Neighborhood
Registered user
on Jun 4, 2023 at 12:39 pm

If a lack of wheelchair-accessible parking is a problem, the city should add more handicapped spots in the off-street lots. Complaining about the loss of ~20 curbside parking spots is a distraction.


ivg
Registered user
Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jun 4, 2023 at 12:43 pm
ivg, Another Mountain View Neighborhood
Registered user
on Jun 4, 2023 at 12:43 pm

Someone should talk to a landlord and find out why rent is still so high despite all the vacancies.


Billy Spear
Registered user
Old Mountain View
on Jun 4, 2023 at 2:30 pm
Billy Spear, Old Mountain View
Registered user
on Jun 4, 2023 at 2:30 pm

When friends recently treated me to celebrate a professional accomplishment, I chose a restaurant on University Avenue in downtown Palo Alto, even though I live really close to downtown MV.

Driving to PA was easy, navigating PA was intuitive and convenient, and I didn't notice the sound of vehicles as we ate. I'll go back before I go to downtown MV.

This is all 100% true. When choosing an area to have lunch, downtown MV didn't even cross my mind -- and I used to really love downtown MV, before city leaders blocked off access.

MV City leaders say Castro at Central will eventually be permanently closed -- they haven't said why, in the interim, they allow traffic flowing from downtown MV and onto Central, but do not allow traffic from Central and onto Evelyn Avenue.

City leaders say Castro at Central will eventually be permanently closed due to Caltrain Electrification, but they haven't said why they didn't explore creating an underpass for vehicles in any meaningful way.

City leaders have had their thumb on the scale the entire time through this supposedly transparent process, producing unscientific "polls", and messaging designed to support their pre-determined decisions.

Respectfully, I wish city leaders had meaningful front-facing retail business experience. I think if that were the case, they would have quickly realized that we live in a car culture, where any barriers to convenience, and that includes access, quickly reduce the bottom line.

I acknowledge that downtown MV was experiencing issues before the pandemic, and inflation and economic uncertainty has only excacerbated challenges facing downtown MV businesses.

At the same time, the way to grow retail businesses, in general, is to ensure areas are clean and well lit, with adequate parking, and easy access.

It's not rocket science. Of course, the above is not as "sexy" as creating a "european style pedestrian mall".

Why have an outdoor mall if it's empty?


LongResident
Registered user
another community
on Jun 4, 2023 at 2:34 pm
LongResident, another community
Registered user
on Jun 4, 2023 at 2:34 pm

There are vacancies in many apartment complexes too but they go unnoticed. These days the corporate landlords use vacancies as a way of pumping up profits. It enables them to charge as high of a rent as possible in the occupied units. They get info on what is the exact max amount to charge from a service like realpage. See Web Link

As far as some of the vacant properties go, they are being planned for redevelopment. For example the Chevy's on El Cmaino has a vacant liquor store next to it. Both properties can be redeveloped together for a new project. It takes time to get to the point of doing the new project.


ivg
Registered user
Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jun 6, 2023 at 9:26 am
ivg, Another Mountain View Neighborhood
Registered user
on Jun 6, 2023 at 9:26 am

I don't know what parallel universe Billy is living in. The Castro pedestrian mall is full of people every time I go there. And city leaders were very clear about the reasons to not make a vehicle underpass. It would be a $100M boondoggle.


Steven Goldstein
Registered user
Old Mountain View
on Jun 6, 2023 at 10:51 am
Steven Goldstein, Old Mountain View
Registered user
on Jun 6, 2023 at 10:51 am

Now that Google is actually starting to close offices in Mountain View,
You are not ever going to see the kind of recovery like we did in 2008.

I warned you all for years about it.

Now it is happening


MV Resident2
Registered user
Old Mountain View
on Jun 7, 2023 at 5:20 pm
MV Resident2, Old Mountain View
Registered user
on Jun 7, 2023 at 5:20 pm

I also agree that the move to shut down Castro to cars permanently is the last straw for downtown's post-pandemic economy. After all, why would consumers come back to downtown MV especially when there are many choices of restaurants and shops in the neighboring cities that are more accessible in terms of traffic flow and parking? Considering the number of population in downtown of merely 3-4 blocks is far insufficient to support its business, we need to reopen Castro St to create a more convenient and accessible dining and shopping environment that is appealing to most consumers.


Clarence Rown
Registered user
Sylvan Park
on Jun 7, 2023 at 7:22 pm
Clarence Rown, Sylvan Park
Registered user
on Jun 7, 2023 at 7:22 pm

It saddens me deeply to witness an entire generation that seems unable to fathom the beauty and vitality of moving around our cities without relying solely on their cars. It's a disheartening reality that we've become trapped in our own metal and glass cocoons, oblivious to the joy of exploring our neighborhoods on foot. This car-centric mindset not only isolates us from our surroundings but perpetuates congestion and pollution, harming both our cities and our planet. We must break free from this dependence and reclaim the soul of our urban landscapes. Let's champion walkable communities, invest in public transportation, and create a future where the simple act of walking a few blocks is seen as an opportunity to rediscover the essence and spirit of our cities.


Monta Loman
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Monta Loma
on Jun 9, 2023 at 5:18 pm
Monta Loman, Monta Loma
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on Jun 9, 2023 at 5:18 pm

I agree with those who point out that non-restaurant businesses have essentially been sacrificed by the City Council.

The street closures were lifted in PA and LA, and both downtowns bounced back nicely from COVID. MV blew it. The only time downtown is crowded now is mealtime, but mornings or afternoons the place is deserted. Pity the dry goods and service businesses that were sacrificed.

Keeping Castro closed guarantees lower customer demand. Running a business is a numbers game and every proprietor knew their number intimately. At least we could have kept the bus service running down Castro on what will otherwise be a pedestrian mall, to generate some uptick in customer demand. (A bus running down Castro also cuts down on the parking nightmare, another important reason folks like me choose LA or PA at this time for a quality experience if I'm hosting friends.)

Plus, the very sidewalks and streets on Castro need steam cleaning badly. The sidewalk at the busiest corner, Villa and Castro, is filthy. How does goop and spills on the sidewalk ever draw restaurant customers given the physical infrastructure's high yuck factor? Hint: Stay away from the parking garage stairwells if you don't want to lose your appetite during a night out! The concrete there is actually oily, not to mention the urine.


LongResident
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another community
on Jun 10, 2023 at 4:17 pm
LongResident, another community
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on Jun 10, 2023 at 4:17 pm

I don't think that having a pedestrian mall along Castro street necessarily hurts the businesses that arent' restaurants, You have to consider that all these buildings back up on parking lots where most of their customers parked all along. There are ways to walk to the front doors of the businesses from the parking lots, and some already have back doors facing the parking lots. Sure, it affects different types of businesses differently, but the main thing that has changed is all the online shopping that people are doing. Retail businesses hurt from that more than not having cars cutting through Castro Street to reach Central Expressway.


Steven Goldstein
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Old Mountain View
on Jun 11, 2023 at 11:34 am
Steven Goldstein, Old Mountain View
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on Jun 11, 2023 at 11:34 am

There is a major change occuring for the city.

Many luxury units are vacant and those businesses will not disclose the data, because investors will either redeem their funds or sell the shares of stock.

Apples latest gizmo is a nothing burger, too expensive and doesn't actually do anything worth it.

AI is going to collapse, look at the lawyers that are getting sanctioned because they used ChatGPT to write a pleading, with it full of errors. You cannot transfer any judgement by a human with an AI. It is not even close to operational.

So the IT market is burned out all of the future values, and it is reaching the satuaration point, no market growth, and cost cutting is required to keep in business.

The ckity is in the heart of the problem, and it is likley going to become the silicon valley ghost town. Unless it adjusts to a new market, with far less tech workers living here.


Steven Nelson
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Cuesta Park
on Jun 11, 2023 at 4:43 pm
Steven Nelson, Cuesta Park
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on Jun 11, 2023 at 4:43 pm

Oh wait - why would I go to Down Town MV (= a Castro Street version, or any version?)
It is a 10 minute walk. It still has a wonderful nationally famous regional theater company (the Performing Arts Center also supports other local companies). It's a 10 minute walk.
It has a two decade old restaurant I really like (Cascal). TONIGHT's DINNER - yum!
It has a nice 'falafel joint" I like (Mediterranean Grill House)
It has a couple other higher end Middle Eastern 'table cloth' places
Several variants of Asian foods / higher and lower prices / different regions
It is a 10 minute Pleasant walk.


Mr. Nimbus
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Old Mountain View
on Jun 12, 2023 at 6:39 am
Mr. Nimbus, Old Mountain View
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on Jun 12, 2023 at 6:39 am

Castro is deserted on most mornings and afternoons because the restaurants don't open during those hours. Many restaurants, especially the Asian places, have a break between 2pm-5pm and there are only a couple places that open for breakfast. This was the case even before the pandemic.


Karen G
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Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jul 8, 2023 at 11:54 am
Karen G, Another Mountain View Neighborhood
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on Jul 8, 2023 at 11:54 am

I'm a staffer at East West Bookshop, and also a 25 year resident of Mountain View. We're a non-restaurant business downtown, and we are HUGELY in support of Castro being pedestrian. So are our customers. When the City polled the public about closing 3 blocks of Castro Street to traffic, I think it was upwards of 90% of the public saying they loved it this way.

Honestly, I and most of my friends never went to Castro to just enjoy the street until the street closed to cars. We see MANY more people in our store since Castro became pedestrian-only than before. There's TONS of free parking (thank you, City!), and you can spend hours on the street strolling without car fumes, people-watching, our eating at one of about 40 (wow) restaurants. This is common throughout Europe, and one of the reasons people find Europe so charming. It's not so common in America, and people are voting with their feet.

I appreciate that the city is exploring ways to incentivize faster turnarounds for the empty storefronts; that's something that will add to the fun of being downtown.

We are happy with how business is going for East West. A HUGE thank you to locals for shopping so enthusiastically with local merchants during covid. It was a wonderful support. I honestly feel like the downtown is thriving because of the policies and energy of so many people (residents, City, various committee, Chamber, businesses). I haven't been involved much in local government till recently. Most of us have no idea how hard people are working behind the scenes to make things a little nicer for all of us. Really, thanks to everyone...


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