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City may prohibit marijuana dispensaries

Original post made on Feb 5, 2010

This Tuesday the Mountain View City Council may decide to follow the lead of other cities in the area and impose an "interim urgency ordinance prohibiting the establishment and operation of medical marijuana facilities."

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, February 5, 2010, 12:19 PM

Comments (56)

Posted by Not a smoker, but....?
a resident of Monta Loma
on Feb 5, 2010 at 1:19 pm

I would be interested to hear how pot dispensaries create additional need for maintenance of streets and sidewalks. Are sick people getting stoned and smashing up the sidewalks with sledgehammers? Typical government tomfoolery. To the city staff that authored the report: you already are on solid ground, but you can't resist breaking out the boogeyman to scare people. Learn to quit while you are ahead. After reading this stuff, I quickly go from a supporter of the police and city government, to someone who wonders if you can tie your shoes without help. Next time you are frustrated that people don't respect your authority or willingly cooperate with you, reference some of the over the top nonsense that comes out of your mouth.

Posted by Marijuana Patient
a resident of Rex Manor
on Feb 5, 2010 at 1:33 pm

I am a 50 year old marijuana patient and I have been going to the Angel Care dispensary since November 2009. I have never seen any loitering or criminal activity. The security guards are very thorough and always offer to walk me to my car. The first time I went to this dispensary, I was impressed with their professionalism. They are paying sales tax and providing employment. They always have a donation jar for the local food bank and donated an impressive number toys at Christmas. I am very glad to have a local marijuana dispensary. It would be a shame to see the city turn down tax revenue in these troubled times.

Posted by PeaceLove
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 5, 2010 at 2:46 pm

I second Not a smoker but...? with his questions about how a medical marijuana dispensary leads to increased maintenance of streets and sidewalks. Such contentions are silly and the motivations behind such claims ought to be examined. What is likely is that the presence of a dispensary will bring in patients from all over the area -- especially since Gilroy, Los Gatos, Saratoga and Los Altos have all seen fit to restrict the legal availability of natural botanical medicine.

I know many people who use marijuana to safely and effectively to treat a variety of health conditions; the plant has never been the primary cause of a single death (Web Link it is "safer than many foods we commonly consume (Web Link p. 56), and "used in moderation, cannabis in itself poses very little danger to users and to society as a whole...." (Web Link The people of California voted over *ten years ago* to allow the use of marijuana as medicine. I encourage the city of Mountain View to take a courageous stand and uphold the will of the people. Just say NO to dishonest anti-drug hysteria, and allow sick people to access this miraculous botanical medicine in a safe and legal way.

Posted by Medical Patient/User
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Feb 5, 2010 at 2:58 pm

As someone who uses 1 of the locations in San Francisco (I would rather the money go to my own City (Mountain View) instead) I have NEVER seen or heard of any type of "criminal activity" anywhere near their location. It's so obscure that if you didn't know it was there you would drive right past it (same for the location in Santa Clara). The SF police drive by the location all the time, and their biggest concern seems to be the people who either double park to "run in real quick", or who park next to the fire hydrant directly in front of the front door of the location (great way to boost money for the City with those parking tickets!). No one can ever say that any 1 thing would be the cause of increase in crime or anything like that. We've had an upsurge in violent crimes in Mountain View within the past few weeks and that has happened WITHOUT a dispensary within our City. To automatically ASSUME things would get bad or worse due to a dispensary is ignorant. Most arrest on the weekends are more than likely due to the excessive alcohol from the SEVERAL/MANY liquor stores on every other corner and all of the clubs, pubs, bars and restraunts all throughout downtown on Castro St. How many are there on Castro anyways?

I've been a resident of Mountain View for almost 10 years now and sometimes the ignorant comments by some of the residents amazes me (boy! talk about being judgemental towards others, espcially without knowing their situation). If someone is going to rob, rape or even murder...they are going to do it whether they are high on marijuana or not and usually it's while drunk or just plain evil. The problems in the other cities were already there (more are just being caught)...someone has to blame it on something other than the true ignorance of that particular person.

Check the medical studies or better yet...ask a patient who can't eat due to nausea from chemo or 1 who can't take any actual "man made" medicine for pain due to the side effects making them feel worse than actually helping. I think everyone would find there are more people using marijuana everywhere (but are afraid to say so) than thought or known. Talk to and hear out the actual patients who use it (find out why) and truly hear both sides before making all final judgements and decisions.

Just as with anything else in this world...if you do it correctly, fairly and monitor it regularly, it should work out for the good of all.

Posted by B.D.
a resident of North Whisman
on Feb 5, 2010 at 3:06 pm

Safe and affordable access is had at Angel's Care Collective in Santa Clara. I encourage the city staff(of which how many actually live in Mountain View? I know that Attorney Quinn lives in San Jose)to visit said collective and see how a working model functions. The Shoreline Wellness Collective will be operated under State Attorney General guidelines and would provide tax revenue and add additional needed jobs to our city very much the way Angel's does for Santa Clara. Education is key. Passing a temporary moratorium is acceptable for now as long as sensible legislation is created in those 45 days. This will prevent dispensaries from being formed before appropriate local ordinance is put in place regulating but allowing safe and affordable access. In this light I look forward to working with city staff and creating zoning and regulation allowing collectives to operate in Mountain View.
Best Regards,
Brian David

Posted by Big John
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Feb 5, 2010 at 3:18 pm

Pot smoking is a gateway drug and leads to homosexuality.

Posted by rory
a resident of Monta Loma
on Feb 5, 2010 at 3:33 pm

This is pretty telling I think and goes to show that people often have irrational fears based on ignorance.

National Survey of American Attitudes on Substance Abuse XIV: Teens and Parents (August 2009)

"What do you feel is the most important problem you face today as the parent of a teenager--that is, the thing which concerns you the most?"

14% are concerned about drugs
3% are? concerned about alcohol

Alcohol kills 5x as many people as illegal drugs.

The study also asks questions about Marijuana and not alcohol. A few:

How harmful to the health of someone your age is the use of? marijuana: is it?]

Because marijuana comes from a plant, it is safer than other drugs people use to get high: do you think that statement is true or false?
22% TRUE

Do you think the decision to use marijuana by a teen the age of your child is a? big deal--in the sense it is an important or serious decision--or is it not a big deal? [IF YES] Do you feel that way strongly or not strongly?

Does it seem to you that the use of marijuana is today just a normal part of being a teenager, or is it not?

How important is it to you that your teen not? try illegal drugs: is this? extremely important, very important, fairly important, not too important or not important at all?

Then we have a comparison:

How realistic is the expectation that a teenager will not drink alcohol until age 21?

How realistic is the expectation that a teenager will never try marijuana?

Some parents tell us that once a child becomes a teenager, parents have very little influence over their decision of whether they will smoke, drink, or try illegal drugs. Do you agree strongly, agree somewhat, disagree somewhat, or disagree strongly with this opinion?

Has your teen ever seen you or the teens [other parent/stepparent] drunk?
33% YES
66% NO

Has your? teen ever seen you or the teens [other parent/stepparent] high on an illegal drug?
4% YES
95% NO

Annual Causes of Death in the United States

Alcohol 85,000
All Illicit Drug Use 17,000
FDA – Approved 12,000
Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0

Some background:

Which of the following best describes your religious preference:

Posted by rory
a resident of Monta Loma
on Feb 5, 2010 at 3:39 pm

I am 31 years old and know about 15 people killed because of alcohol.
1 pothead (impacts their life negatively) out of about 75 smokers.
3 people killed from prescription drugs (2 of which had alcohol involved

None of the people killed from alcohol where "alcoholics" and the one person I know that is a "Pothead" would probably be an alcoholic if it weren't for the Weed.

I would prefer a pothead to an alcoholic any time.

If anyone follows up. Please tell us how many people you know that have been killed from alcohol.

Posted by Concerned Parent
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Feb 5, 2010 at 3:51 pm

As a parent of two young children, I do not want the commerce of marijuana in Mountain View. We moved to Mountain View from San Francisco for its pro-family environment. Let's discourage businesses that attract crime.

Posted by Hardin
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Feb 5, 2010 at 4:25 pm

This is from one of the white papers produced by the California Police Chiefs Association (CPCA), that is referenced in the Mountain View Voice article above, detailing the specific secondary effects of medical marijunan dispensaries, reported by law enforcement:

-Street level dealers attempting to sell to people entering the business.

-Smoking of marijuana in public areas.

-Increased "driving while under the influence of marijuana" violations.

-Attempted burglaries of marijuana establishments.

-Robberies of clients as they left businesses with their purchase.

-Purchasers congregating and smoking marijuana in areas frequented by children.

-Trading of marijuana purchased at a dispensary to a minor for sex.

-Adverse impact on neighboring businesses.

This is not the entire list, just the highlights.

Posted by nanak
a resident of Whisman Station
on Feb 5, 2010 at 4:38 pm

opening dispensaries mean more traffic which is good for the businesses in downtown and everywhere else around that area. For sure It will mean more minor crimes in and around that area, more work for the police and more money for the police in overtime. But then restricting dispensaries is not a legally right thing to do. Lot of people from Mtnview go faraway places to get their medication ..LOL.. it would be easier for them to get them right here where they live if they are allowed to open here. LOL again. Not that it will be cheaper but it will save some gas and save the environment from pollution from their Priuses,SUVs.

Posted by Dazed and Confused
a resident of Castro City
on Feb 5, 2010 at 6:35 pm

I've gotta laugh when I read all this pro and con discussion for medical marijuana. One group has largely been left out of the discussion. It's a group I'm a part of. I'm a habitual recreational user of marijuana and probably light up a joint at least five or six times a week. The medical marijuana scene has made it much easier and cheaper for me to buy it and use it so I can get high. That's right, get high. Anyone have a problem with that? I like to get high, and I do it not because I have some medical condition but so I can just inhale and tune out for a while. I also know for a fact that Lustig likes to get high just as well, so don't go thinking he's some sort of innocent healer. Man, I have to howl with laughter when I read the stuff he is quoted as saying. I don't know who the pro-medical marijuana users are kidding, because I also know for a fact that many of us recreational users get our fix from the loophole created by dispensaries. And let's not forget that the police no longer care if you are caught carrying a joint or two. So what's the big deal. It's been great getting high so easily, without worrying about the fuzz ruining your good time. Besides, I never liked buying my weed from the common criminals that normally used to supply me. BTW, it can get pretty dangerous purchasing it from the regular supply lines. Those guys are scary--who can forget that kid who got killed a few years back in a drug deal (marijuana) gone bad. So you all need to get off your high horses on both sides and ignore the pink elephant standing in the room. For those of you for it, you know darn well there are plenty of us using it too get high as a kite, and don't dare think that we haven't sniff a little coke along with it on special occasions. And for those of you against it, let just be real that the stuff works for some people and that more people than you imagine are using it for recreational use and really would like to see it legalized. There you go. I said what had to be said. Now please, both sides, start addressing the topic with my group in the discussion.

Posted by jeanne pardini sanders
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Feb 5, 2010 at 9:26 pm

hello people ...not sure of my neighborhood but do think i have it correct.i live on miramonte ave and have for 35 years....i have had cancer 4 times and do not begin to understand 6 people on the mountain view city council making a decision that is not in line with the will of the people....THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA voted to allow the use of medical marijuana..end of subject for the city council....i HAVE NEVER used the stuff in my life however my doctor who works for the camino medical group did offer it to considering i was undergoing both radation and chemo 3 times i could not imagine driving to san jose or san francisco to purchase the legal for rx product....and i can not imagine these people who i voted for, sitting on the council being so athoritive on medical issues to make this decision ..the decision has been made, its not there decision to make.... the people have spoken and i will never vote for one of them again that makes a decission that is contrary to the will of the people... sincerely, jeanne sanders

Posted by PeaceLove
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 5, 2010 at 11:04 pm

Concerned Parent: Why do you think a medical marijuana dispensary would encourage crime? Medical marijuana is legal in the state of California, and patients are not criminals. The medical marijuana issue is a wonderful way to teach compassion to your children, as well as helping them understand the way politicians can undermine both the medical establishment and the will of the people.

The biggest problem with medical marijuana dispensaries is that there aren't enough of them. So people have to travel from all over to get to them. This is a direct result of California cities and towns (like Los Altos, Los Gatos, Saratoga and Gilroy) subverting the will of the people and blocking dispensaries. Mountain View should take a courageous, pro-patient stand and allow as many well-run dispensaries as the city can support.

Posted by R. M.
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 6, 2010 at 1:52 am

Dazed and Confused you are obviously against marijuana and are attempting to fool others. Your actions are despicable and you should be ashamed. If Lustig just wanted to get "high" he'd ask for prescription drugs from his doctor and take those. You are full of lies. God is watching.

Posted by eric
a resident of another community
on Feb 6, 2010 at 1:52 am

I think that the city council is concerned that opening this legal business would prevent someone from building a dense development that would create street-clogging traffic. They arent anti-medicine, they are just pro-gridlock

If someone proposes a 15 story, 500 unit per acre, 1 parking spot per 10,000 square foot dispensary in the middle of an underparked neighborhood, I'm sure the city would be all over it.

Posted by Ella B.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Feb 6, 2010 at 5:48 am

I am a 52 year old woman suffering from cancer. Medical marijuana is how I treat my illness. I really think that this city needs to listen to the will of the people like others have said. This county got the highest vote count when prop 215 was passed. There are ill patients like myself that need a true form of medicine that does not have the harsh side effects that other prescription drugs have. This white collar report is falsely linking dispensaries to other crimes. This is how politics work my friends. If there was a regulated safe way of getting medicine I think we should be open for allowing it. I have been to many facilities all over different counties and there is no drug selling on the streets outside or trades for sexual favors. This is poposterus. People need to open there eyes that there are laws that have been passed allowing it and are state guidelines enforcing this. And if facilities do not abide by these state guidelines then federal government steps in. We dont need a council of 6 ( they said only 6 had to be present of the 7) to make a decision for over 70000 people in the city. This is wrong and not fair for the laws that are already established. This has been over 10 years when will people start to do some real research on that fact that it is a medicine and not a drug.

Posted by ken
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 6, 2010 at 7:59 am

Our local politicians are beholden to other interests and could care less about the will of the people who voted for this or the patients in need of alternatives to perscription drugs. Im a patient and I VOTE!

Posted by Pernel
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Feb 6, 2010 at 8:19 am

So.... Pot Heads = Potholes?

Posted by jeff
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 6, 2010 at 9:27 am

As a nonsmoker with two young daughters, I totally support having a marijuana dispensory in Mountain View. Do some research yourself; filter out hyperbole on both sides of the issue.

Posted by Hardin
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Feb 6, 2010 at 9:54 am

To clarify,

1. The Federal government has allowed the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes, and currently will not prosecute those who are abiding by their State laws on the sale and use of medicinal marijuana.

2. California, thru Prop 215 allows the sale and use of medicinal marijuana, but has delegated the authority of the issue to local authorities.

This is why many local communities, like Los Gatos, Los Altos, Gilroy, and Saratoga have opted to place a temporary ban on dispensaries, pending further evaluation.

So the implication by some in this discussion that not allowing dispensaries is illegal and against state law is incorrect. The Federal government, and the State of California, has granted local communities the authority to determine how medicinal marijuana is transacted.

We get to lead on this for Mountain View.

Posted by prop 215
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 6, 2010 at 10:17 am

this is 2010 & we are still fighting for prop 215! I go out of my way & only buy from a dispensory that charges tax in order to support our cause! Once & for all pot will be legal for EVERYONE over 21 just like alchol once November comes & we can vote on it and our state budget will be in the BLACK with all the tax revenue!

Posted by jeanne sanders
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Feb 6, 2010 at 11:06 am

in response to the comments from Hardin..that is my point....."WE get to lead on this" is not to be determined by 6 council members and a mayor.....We are 70,000 people not 7.......and by the way, who the heck approved those new ugly out of character houses on Miramonte......another bad call....and another subject.....

Posted by R. M.
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 6, 2010 at 12:28 pm

This reminds me a lot of slavery. Imagine when blacks were imagine individual city governments overruling the constituency and denying their freedom..... hello los altos, los gatos, and santa clara. I hope our city council finds justice for our sick and suffering by executing the will of the majority.

Posted by ray
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 6, 2010 at 1:06 pm

don't we have enough problems with druges

Posted by DaeCae
a resident of another community
on Feb 6, 2010 at 1:50 pm

I'd suggest you all take a look at how
this being handled in other communities -
specifically Oakland and San Francisco.
Find out what problems, if any, those communities
are having.
If you have sketchy individuals running the
dispensary and/or sketchy people buying from the
dispensary you will more than likely have problems.
If you have responsible individuals running a business
and responsible people shopping there it will not be
an issue.

In regards to Big John's comment - aren't cigarettes and alcohol
'gateway drugs'?

Posted by Adric
a resident of another community
on Feb 6, 2010 at 1:55 pm

It really doesn't matter to me one way or another. I smoke pot and have for over 18 years. It helps me to cope with dusty, dried up old politicians that think they are second rate gods. If I can't get my smoke legally, then I'll go back to getting it as I can.
I'm a lawbiding citizen and have never caused or gotten into any trouble. I will admit that I like alcohol a little too much and pot helps calm those cravings. It words wonders for my insomnia and appetite.
Politicians are addicted to money and have to be top notch liars to get into office. Pot is on this earth for a reason. In a better world, you could buy it in the grocery store or find it at a salad bar. As I've said, I've been a smoker for 18 + years. I have never tried any hardcore drugs and have desire to. If pot is a gateway drug, then politicians are honest Abes ... hah!
Legalize weed, I say. The cop that makes a petty pot arrest gets off duty and has an alcoholic beverage at his choice of bar when he gets off duty. In one word, hypocracy!

Posted by Genesis 9:3
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 6, 2010 at 2:15 pm

God spoke to Noah and his sons....

Every moving thing that liveth shall be food for you; as the green herb have I given you all.

Posted by non smoker
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 6, 2010 at 3:04 pm

i think the main issue here is non medical users gaining access to dispensaries. Getting a "medical marijuana" card is as easy as finding a doctor online and paying a couple of hundred bucks.
Mountain View is only following the lead of other nearby cities. But It is a damn shame because the real effect of a storefront selling weed is that many drug dealers will have less income. If you were to compare the average product from a dealer to most clubs, the product from the club is comparably priced and superior. Many would stop calling their dealers and this would put a few people out of illegal business.
The trickle down effect would actually lower crime rate and give the Mountain View police more time to do what they are best at, dealing out DUI's on weekends.

Posted by MV Native
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Feb 6, 2010 at 3:40 pm

There should be dispensaries in Mountain View. It will still be overpriced, but I for one would appreciate the convenience of one being closer than having to use up half my gas tank just to get my medication.

As for "illegal reselling," the price of club pot is expensive as it is. I can't picture anyone reselling it and actually turning a profit. What I CAN picture is the City of Mountain View gaining a substantial amount of money in sales taxes. I don't mind paying regular sales tax on my medicinal marijuana, just like anyone would pay sales tax in any other pharmacy or any other place for that matter.

As you can see here, the people who support dispensaries in MV are not afraid to list reasons why they support it. But the people who don't support dispensaries aren't really saying legitimate reasons to explain their side.

I am the 3rd generation to live in Mountain View, and I have lived here my entire life. My family has been here since the early 60's.

Bottomline: In the democratically-governed land we live in, Mountain View PATIENTS want dispensaries in their hometown. We have police officers on our payroll for a reason, to serve and protect everyone, including marijuana PATIENTS. Your children will not be in harms way anymore than they are now by going to school and sitting in classrooms that are full of drug dealers with or without a dispensary in town. In my opinion, if you don't support patients having a safe, legal, closeby place to obtain their medication, then shame on you. If they vote against it, then shame on the politicans. If we can't have a dispensary in Mountain View, then we it only seems fair we should get rid of all the other pharmacies in town as well, incuding the one at Kaiser, El Camino, CVS, etc. And don't forget the liqour stores and cigarettes. Don't drug dealers pay retail prices and sales taxes and sell those on the street for profit too? Makes sense right? "Why would I buy pot legally from a club when I could buy the same pot illegaly from a dealer and spend more?"... And for the record, I'd feel safer driving someone who is stoned than someone who has been drinking.

Posted by toddbass
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Feb 6, 2010 at 4:46 pm

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Posted by Responsible Citizen
a resident of another community
on Feb 6, 2010 at 5:25 pm

I've read the California Police Chiefs' white paper. Here it is so you can judge for yourself:
Web Link

It strikes me as quite biased. The police have a vested interest in keeping marijuana illegal. It's good for business. It's a lot less dangerous for them to bust people for marijuana possession than it is for them to go after violent criminals.

The argument that marijuana dispensaries get burglarized and therefore increase the crime rate is a specious argument. By that logic, jewelry stores should not be allowed to open in Mountain View because they might attract burglars.

Please join the movement to legalize marijuana in California. Visit

Posted by Don't Get Fooled Again
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Feb 6, 2010 at 5:52 pm

Just because Prop 215 passed doesn't mean that it will ever become law. The same applies to Prop. 8. The "will of the people" is a term thrown around a lot here. Just because the people want medical marijuana, doesn't mean they are going to get particularly if it threatens public safety, minors and people's so-called rights.

Posted by Brenda
a resident of North Whisman
on Feb 6, 2010 at 7:34 pm

As a homeowner in Mtn View and a healthcare provider, I strongly encourage the city to consider having a medicinal marijuania dispensary. It is legal, it serves a need, and this is a business that will generate revenue for the city. Let's hope that rational thought prevails.

Posted by Junior Pothead
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Feb 6, 2010 at 9:38 pm

I've seen people getting their PotHead prescriptions in a SF clinic. There people were so healthy they could run a marathon while carrying 200 Lbs and standing on their heads.
This is a total backdoor movement to legalized recreational pot.

Posted by Old Ben
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 6, 2010 at 10:51 pm

So what? Get a clue: it's already here. Let's reap the benefits, and get it under control.

Posted by For The Record
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Feb 6, 2010 at 11:12 pm

LA has been in the media lately because of its enormous amount of marijuana dispensaries.
Some estimate that LA had almost 1,000 dispensaries at one time! incredible!
Obviously because marijuana causes crime, LA has had a major increase in crime over the last 13 years since marijuana was allowed!
It has caused choas and there are more rapists, burglers, and murders running mad everywhere!
We told you pot creates criminals!
And we told you pot dispensaires would create crime!!

oh wait..... I misread the report....

ACTUALLY violent crime in LA is at a 50 year low. Californias violent crime rate overall is at a 40 year low.

No more lies, people are suffering.

Posted by parent
a resident of another community
on Feb 7, 2010 at 9:46 am

If you disagree with Medical Marijuana, YOU are living in the wrong state.

Second, Medical Marijuana DOES NOT cause crime. Recession and depression cause crime.

Third, GOD made Marijuana and is SAFE.

Have you ever noticed how many disabled parking spots are occupied by
people that "APPEARED" so healthy they could run a marathon while carrying 200 Lbs and standing on their heads? YAH, that's right.


Posted by B.D.
a resident of North Whisman
on Feb 7, 2010 at 10:48 pm

B.D. is a registered user.

In Los Angeles just last month where the collectives out number the Starbucks rumors say.

LAPD chief: Pot clinics not plagued by crime
By Tony Castro, Staff Writer
Updated: 01/16/2010 03:10:08 AM PST

Despite neighborhood complaints, most medical marijuana clinics are not typically the magnets for crime that critics often portray, according to Los Angeles police Chief Charlie Beck.

Web Link


Posted by PeaceLove
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 7, 2010 at 11:57 pm

@BD - Oh excellent, Sir. Well played!

Posted by Dr. Stark
a resident of another community
on Feb 8, 2010 at 4:33 am

Secondary effects of crime you say? Well if that is a concern, we should close down every bar in California and stop the production of wine at immediately!

Posted by Concerned Parent
a resident of another community
on Feb 8, 2010 at 7:38 am

BD, you might also be interested in

“DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- Officials say that in spite of budget cuts and an understaffed police force, L.A.'s crime rate reached a 50-year low… Officials credit effective policing for lower rates of violence in neighborhoods and a reduction in gang crime…”

So now that marijuana has moved off the streets and into the dispensaries, we are seeing LESS gang crime, just like the marijuana legalization movement has been predicting.

This kind of report, along with BD's link in the earlier post, need to be brought forward _every_single_time_ someone tries to pull the "mj outlets will lead to more crime" nonsense.

Posted by Hardin
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Feb 8, 2010 at 9:22 am

From the same article in the LA Daily newspaper referenced above, as quoted by the same police chief, Chief Charlie Beck:

"The statistics do not include crime at ATM machines, bank outlets in markets or crimes committed on the property surrounding banks or medical marijuana dispensaries.

He also acknowledged that banks report all their robberies to authorities, while some medical marijuana facilities may not.

"This is just a snapshot, a statistic. It doesn't reflect quality of life issues, it doesn't reflect the things the public complains about (regarding) medical marijuana locations," Beck said. "It does give you some idea of (what the) level of crime is."

Need to read the fine print folks, glossing over the details makes all the difference.

Posted by For The Record
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Feb 8, 2010 at 5:02 pm

The fine print shows that banks are 5 times more likely to be robbed than Medical Marijuana Dispensaries. And thats not including the crime that takes place at the ATMs or the countless bank outlets that exist throughout LA.

Posted by Hardin
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Feb 8, 2010 at 6:29 pm

Actually, the fine print shows that banks are more likely to be robbed than dispensaries using the data REPORTED by banks and dispensaries.

The fine print also says that banks report ALL robberies, whereas dispensaries may not.

Finally,the fine print states that this data does not describe quality of life issues, nor other effects that the public typically complains about regarding medical marijuana locations.

I need to make a correction to my initial comment: SELECTIVE reading of the fine print is just as bad as glossing over the details. Both give a slanted version of the truth.

Posted by Political Insider
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Feb 9, 2010 at 12:18 am

My sources tell me the council will punt and delay-delay-delay. Some will look for a way to tax this item.

Posted by Bruno
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Feb 9, 2010 at 8:59 am

You mean the quality of life for those patients who really depend on marijuana to help ease their pain? No. You mean your quality of life, for having to know that a dispensary is open in your city. Well obviously we all feel your pain Hardin.

Posted by Hardin
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Feb 9, 2010 at 9:13 am

Bruno, you'll have to ask Police Chief Charlie Beck what he meant by quality of life issues, since those were his words, not mine.

But in my opinion, there are people involved and affected by this issue, other than those who use marijuana. Having the city approve a dispensary is a city issue, therefore ALL residents have a stake in this.

Posted by Hardin
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Feb 9, 2010 at 9:21 am

Medical Marijuana is in the proverbial between a rock and a hard place. It needs the “medical” label in order to disassociate itself from marijuana, and its questionable history in modern society. Without the label, there is nothing to distinguish between recreational use and medicinal use.

And even with the label, no system exists that effectively controls its use. Recreational users are looking forward to these dispensaries as much as people who use it to manage symptoms are, and getting the appropriate documentation to buy medical marijuana is just a mouse click away.

At the same time, there is scant scientific, pharmacological data that supports marijuana to be classified as a legal drug. The data cited in this discussion, such as the DEA’s opinion from a dissenting judge, and the FDA comparison of marijuana with other approved medications has been taken so far out of context and glossed over that it has holes large enough to drive a Hummer through.

Hence, medical marijuana is forced to plan B, which is to setup its own system of distribution, that has no controls that traditional medicine possess, and is owned and operated by those who have a vested interest in the industry.

The simple fact is we don’t regulate drugs in this country based on their INTENDED USE. We regulate them based on their known physiological effects on the human body, generated by volumes of testing and a thorough review process, that in turn determines the amount of regulation and control needed. Something as benign as aspirin is required to go through these tests, but so far medical marijuana has escaped such scrutiny.

This is not to conclude that marijuana does not have any medical benefits or uses, but that there isn’t enough data at this time to justify it being called medicine, and certainly not enough to justify supporting its distribution on a municipal level.

Calling marijuana “medicine” doesn’t make it so, no more than slapping a kippah on a pig makes it kosher.

Posted by owner parent caretaker
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Feb 9, 2010 at 10:16 am

I'm much more concerned about the legal use of alcohol that has caused 12 deaths to those I care about. I'm also concerned about the violence and gang activity present in MV which has caused at least one death to some one our family knew.

I would like police efforts to focus on reducing these deaths and eliminating violence.

Marijuana in itself is not a particularly dangerous substance. If everyone with violent potential bought their marijuana legally at a local store and went home and smoked it, we'd all be a lot safer and there might be a slight drop in unwanted pegnancy due to reduction in fertility of male smokers.

It may require vigilance to extricate the sale and use of marijuana from entanglement in illegal drug markets and the violence associated with them but its the right thing to do.

I'd trade a dispensary for a liquor store any day.

And I'd much rather have police, court, and jail resources spent on eliminating violent crime and child abuse.

Posted by B.D.
a resident of North Whisman
on Feb 9, 2010 at 2:11 pm

B.D. is a registered user.

Make sure all you proponents and opponents are there tonight at the City Council Meeting to make sure your comments are heard and hopefully you will become educated and understand what is going on. They will pass(hopefully)a temporary moratorium. That gives my team and I 45 days to work with city staff to develop appropriate ordinance and zoning to allow a limited number of Medical Cannabis Dispensing Collectives to operate with in Mountain View city limits. Safe and affordable access for all qualified patients is all we need.
Thanks for your support in this controversial but important subject.
Best Regards,
Brian David
[email protected]
Executive Director
Shoreline Wellness Collective

Posted by Observer
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Feb 9, 2010 at 5:05 pm

I'd like to see coca leaves legalized. For centuries indigenous groups have used coca leaves for their healing power. I'd like to see a dispensary opened in Mountain View for coca leaves. We should not deprive people of this right. Where is the COMPASSION in this city. Shame on all of you who would be against legalizing coca leaves.

Posted by PeaceLove
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 9, 2010 at 9:14 pm

The "urgent moratorium" did not pass. Kudos to the City Council for not putting up another roadblock between patients and their medicine. Medical marijuana dispensaries have operated without problems all over the state for over a decade. Let's hope their compassion continues as they work to provide safe access to all MV residents.

Posted by resident in SB
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Feb 9, 2010 at 10:40 pm

We are fighting dispensaries in Santa Barbara, too. Pot is already legal in collectives. Cities are crazy for opening themselves to the liability of pot shops before case law has figured out what 215 has done. I thought Mountain View was a nice town, like SB. It'll be sad when all of CA is stoned and addicted to pot, just to satisfy the 10% of you who want to light up a fat one.

Posted by reader
a resident of another community
on Feb 10, 2010 at 8:58 am

But uh, if only 10% want to light up a fat one, how will all of Calif. wind up addicted to pot? Contact high?

Posted by Law
a resident of another community
on Dec 4, 2010 at 5:01 am

Prop 215- was passed to allow patients to grow and possess marijuana and when they get caught to have an affirmative defense in court against prosecution. There is no language that allows the sale of marijuana.

SB 420- clarified Prop 215 and created an ID card that prohibits the holder from being arrested for possession or cultivation. There is no language that allows the sale of marijuana.

The courts have clarified that there is no provision for selling marijuana in either Prop 215 or SB 420. The courts have shown that only a caregiver can assist a patient in obtaining marijuana. No dispensaries qualify as "caregivers" under current case law.

Voters decided not to pass Prop 19 to allow people over 21 to possess marijuana.

All dispensaries are illegal retail outlets for marijuana under current law. There is nothing in any law or court decision that allows for the sale of marijuana. The City Council will be going against the voters and the courts if they create these ordinances to allow the sale of marijuana in dispensaries.

They might as well just legalize marijuana within the city. That way there is no more confusion as to what is illegal and not illegal. Because there is no difference between the dispensaries and the street dealers, other than the dispensaries can afford a storefront.

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