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'Two sides of the same coin': Stanford study shows link between achievement gap and racial disparities in school discipline

Original post made on Nov 2, 2019

A new Stanford University study has documented a direct link between unequal rates of achievement and unequal rates of discipline for black and white students: as one disparity grows or shrinks, so does the other, researchers found.

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Posted by Jake
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Nov 2, 2019 at 1:29 pm

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What a break through! Who would have imagined that kids who cause trouble and are disciplined also do not perform well in course work. Eliminate discipline and give everyone an "A." Problems solved.

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Posted by Boomer
a resident of The Crossings
on Nov 2, 2019 at 2:16 pm


ok boomer

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Posted by Leland
a resident of another community
on Nov 2, 2019 at 5:10 pm

Thank you Stanford University....
of course those of us residing
within Ravenswood City School
District and Community perimeter has also made some significant findings
inthat today's named East Palo
Alto..more than likely...has
provided plenty of stats for
Ms.Pearman's academic conclusions
regarding racial disparities..

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Posted by MV Resident
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 2, 2019 at 9:15 pm

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Posted by Clarified
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 2, 2019 at 10:27 pm

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MV Resident has deftly clarified a root cause for what we used to call “white flight” in places like New Orleans, but now manifests on the west coast as Asian sequestration. Parents fear that a multi-cultural classroom that includes certain ethnic subgroups (Latino, African American, EL, low-ses, etc) broadly considered lower achieving is undesirable for their children. So they separate from these undesirables. This is exactly how you divide a public school district. This is exactly how you get a Bullis charter school packed with Asian students and a long waiting list, and non-Asian parents are all too eager to give Johnny and Sally a “leg up” by winning a seat for them in the Asian classroom. This is the gods honest truth, and it’s bloody awful. The original vision for public schools and even american charter schools was diverse classrooms of students of many learning styles and achievement levels, because the students thrive from the diversity. Racial segregation is alive and well in the famously progressive Bay Area. Just look at yourselves.

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Posted by Ok
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Nov 3, 2019 at 6:23 am

@Clarified, ”students thrive from the diversity”.
Please, clarify how students will thrive from diversity in rates of discipline.

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Posted by Clarified
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 4, 2019 at 8:28 am

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@Ok - I’m not sure what you’re asking. The correlation in this study is achievement to discipline rates. Some readers will interpret this to mean something like “some subcultures value education more than others, and children who are better behaved are more successful in school and receive less discipline” while others will interpret this to mean “some children are disciplined more than others, either due to bias or legitimately, and being disciplined at school becomes an impediment to success in academics, for a variety of reasons, especially socially”

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Posted by Cfrink
a resident of Willowgate
on Nov 5, 2019 at 1:17 am

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What’s always interesting about these conversations are the assumptions that we’re talking about “bad kids performing badly in school”. This isn’t the issue. The issue is that if a white kid and a kid of color commit the same infraction in a public school, the white kid typically gets some kind of warning. The child of color gets suspended. They always have some kind of Ed code reason for the suspension, and they always have some kind of site base discretion on not suspending the white kid. There are tons of factors involved such as a parents participation in the day to day, whether or not the school administration even knows the kid, special needs kids really get pummeled by these systems and it goes on. And this is before you actually get to the real “troubled kids”. Some might be inclined to think this has to do with the race of the administrators and I don’t believe it does. Administrators of color are just as likely to disproportionately hand out these suspensions as anyone else. The reality is that school districts need to figure out a better system. Suspensions don’t work. Kids should certainly face consequences but those consequences should be in school.

Then there’s this idea that you can’t defend yourself in school if you’re physically attacked. No one, but no one, would stand by and allow themselves to be repeatedly punched about the face until a teacher wanders by to help out. Kids are going to defend themselves, yet defending yourself is an offense that gets kids suspended. It makes no sense.

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