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Bay Area extends — and loosens — stay-at-home orders

Original post made on Apr 29, 2020

The Bay Area's stay-at-home orders will stretch on until at least the end of May, though construction workers, gardeners and retailers that can accommodate physical distancing can get back to business on Monday.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 12:19 PM

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Posted by MVR
a resident of Rex Manor
on Apr 29, 2020 at 1:06 pm

Gardening never stopped, so no change here. Not enforceable to begin with. Tried to go through proper channels - first the county, who contacted MV law enforcement, which sounds so idiotic for leaf blowing, but if the country believed this type of activity posed a risk, then perhaps it does. But what was most interesting is that nothing was done to stop the landscapers from doing what they normally do. They kept coming week after week. My apartment management company who pays the gardening company knew about the order but kept employing the gardeners, the county just passed my 'complaint' onto MV law enforcement, who basically did nothing.

So this a small thing, but a test case for how little power the county really has over social distancing. It really takes all of us to care about each other, to do what's right for each other. My landlord and the company that manages our building doesn't care about the tenants - I knew this before this crisis, even more clear now. And the gardeners were probably only concerned about their livelihood (but isn't this true for millions of people at the moment?) and not about the tenants who live here (they wore no protective gear).


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Posted by SRB
a resident of St. Francis Acres
on Apr 29, 2020 at 1:56 pm

Since golfing is still now allowed, are golf courses opening to provide more space for residents to hike, sunbathe....?


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Posted by Golf course
a resident of St. Francis Acres
on Apr 29, 2020 at 2:29 pm

Yup, gonna be a spa at hole number 7.


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a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood

on Apr 29, 2020 at 2:39 pm

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Posted by psr
a resident of The Crossings
on Apr 29, 2020 at 5:30 pm

So this definitely tells us that the officials here are not doing what they claimed to be doing at the beginning of this, which is making sure we did not exceed the capacity of the hospitals. Now they are involved in "mission creep" - as in trying to keep people from being exposed. Just as foolish as those who act paranoid when standing 6 feet apart while both they and the other person they are near are wearing face covering.

"Months" before being able to be in the same room with a barber or manicurist? Because those people don't wash their hands constantly, clean their tools and often wear face covers anyway? So I suppose it will be years before we are allowed to have the kids return to school or play football or soccer again.

I'm glad to see some motion in the right direction, but it's disappointing to see authorities projecting many more months of quarantine conditions for a virus that we get a firmer handle on every day. It's also disappointing to see so many happy to put others out of work when they have the luxury of staying home without adverse consequences.





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Posted by The Business Man
a resident of Castro City
on Apr 29, 2020 at 6:03 pm

In response to psr you said:

“So this definitely tells us that the officials here are not doing what they claimed to be doing at the beginning of this, which is making sure we did not exceed the capacity of the hospitals.”

As far as the medical dermand is concerned it IS WORKING as of TODAY. You said:

“Now they are involved in "mission creep" - as in trying to keep people from being exposed. Just as foolish as those who act paranoid when standing 6 feet apart while both they and the other person they are near are wearing face covering.”

THAT is contagion CONTROL, and it is the ONLY control we HAVE. Do you have any other method to offer? Please be sincere and demonstrate one. Are you volunteering to get exposed and infected with COVID 19? You said:

“”Months" before being able to be in the same room with a barber or manicurist? Because those people don't wash their hands constantly, clean their tools and often wear face covers anyway? So I suppose it will be years before we are allowed to have the kids return to school or play football or soccer again.”

Again, please provide us with an alternative that is highly effective? It is easy to criticize when you are not providing ANY effective alternative. You said:

“I'm glad to see some motion in the right direction, but it's disappointing to see authorities projecting many more months of quarantine conditions for a virus that we get a firmer handle on every day. It's also disappointing to see so many happy to put others out of work when they have the luxury of staying home without adverse consequences.”

Actually, the results of this disease is likely to either GREATLY kill wealth because of the economic impact on EVERYONE. The President and the Governors are in fact in a NO-WIN situation because in order to promptly maintain control over the medical demand, the current policies will need to be maintained. These people are not willing to tell the people the truth, there is no POSSIBLE way to achieve “normalizing” our life until the treatment or vaccine is proven to work.

And as far as the recent news about remdesivir treatment goes. The results are not as promising as it was headlined. It only worked in 50% of the treatment cases and only improved recovery by 3 days, the untreated recovered in 14 days, and the treated recovered in 11 days. So far the results do not establish a “cause” of HOW remdesivir worked against this disease. The FDA is under pressure to put ANYTHING out there to TRY to improve our situation.

UNTIL WE HAVE A PROVEN TREATMENT OR VACCINE WE HAVE TO GET USED TO THIS SITUATION.


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Posted by R.F.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on May 1, 2020 at 3:04 pm

From the Washington Post: "Dr. Mike Ryan, WHO’s top emergencies expert, suggests learning from Sweden — which never shut down completely — as a “model” for battling the coronavirus." If a World Health Organization official says Sweden is a model then why don't we try following the Swedish model? Who is California's top epidemiologist and what does she have to say about it?

I am about 1000 times more scared of this new police state than I am of COVID-19.



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Posted by Sweden failed to contain the virus, . .
a resident of Monta Loma
on May 1, 2020 at 3:33 pm

> If a World Health Organization official says Sweden is a model then why don't we try following the Swedish model?

C'mon - even Trump says Sweden is a pending disaster. Your buddies on the fringe-right got off the Sweden canard a week ago. Catch up!

btw: it wasn't the Washington Post, it was an editorial from the NY POST. C'mon, man, if ya gonna fib, at least try a little bit to hide yer bogus noise.

Sweden has 5 times the deaths as their neighboring countries.

Even Donnie the Impeached says you're dead wrong:



Donald J. Trump
Despite reports to the contrary, Sweden is paying heavily for its decision not to lockdown. As of today, 2462 people have died there, a much higher number than the neighboring countries of Norway (207), Finland (206) or Denmark (443). The United States made the correct decision!
4:45 AM · Apr 30, 2020·Twitter



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Posted by R.F.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on May 1, 2020 at 4:46 pm

Replying to "Sweden failed to contain the virus":

Sorry about the typo. It was NY Post and not Washington Post as you kindly pointed out. Let me quote my fringe-right buddies at Reuters instead:
"""
Ryan, asked about Sweden’s strategy of shunning lockdowns and allowing most schools and businesses to remain open, said: “If we are to reach a ‘new normal’, in many ways Sweden represents a future model.”

“What it has done differently is that it really, really has trusted its own communities to implement that physical distancing,” he said, adding that Sweden had put in place a “very strong public health policy”.
"""

>Sweden has 5 times the deaths as their neighboring countries.
So you are following Trump over Dr. Ryan at the W.H.O. on how to do lockdowns? If not Trump then who? Fauci? Gavin Newsom? Can you give any scientific references at all that lockdowns are an effective way to save lives? Also, the numbers are not all in yet. The final numbers on deaths per million can only be compared after the outbreaks in each nation are over.

I dont see why politics comes into this. Isnt it about science? We need to use science to estimate the human and economic costs of any given plan.


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Posted by Sweden failed to contain the virus, . .
a resident of Monta Loma
on May 1, 2020 at 5:17 pm

> Can you give any scientific references at all that lockdowns are an effective way to save lives?

Yes. You seem quite fond of the W.H.O. - go visit their site. Start under "guidance".

When the fringe right and the wackadoodles lose every one *including* trump, you know they're grasping at straws.

Sweden? Sheesh. And quit cherry-picking one section from Ryan. “I think there’s a perception out that Sweden has not put in control measures and just has allowed the disease to spread,” Dr. Mike Ryan told reporters. “Nothing can be further from the truth.”



> Also, the numbers are not all in yet.

And yet you want to do something drastic without knowing all the numbers? C'mon. Can't have it both ways.


“Nothing can be further from the truth.”


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Posted by R.F.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on May 1, 2020 at 6:36 pm

Replying to "Sweden failed to contain the virus":

>Yes. You seem quite fond of the W.H.O. - go visit their site. Start under "guidance".

I couldn't find anything that justifies their approach. Just an old document that said we should do containment. Now that we have more data maybe Dr. Ryan will be updating it to reflect the new Swedish model. If you want to post a link from the W.H.O. (or anywhere else) that explains why Sweden was wrong given what we know now, please do.

>Sweden? Sheesh. And quit cherry-picking one section from Ryan. “I think there’s a perception out that Sweden has not put in control measures and just has allowed the disease to spread,” Dr. Mike Ryan told reporters. “Nothing can be further from the truth.”

I quoted Dr. Ryan because the W.H.O. seems the most likely to disagree with Sweden's approach. The fact that he admits that they may have been right supports my case.

>> Also, the numbers are not all in yet.
> And yet you want to do something drastic without knowing all the numbers? C'mon. Can't have it both ways.

We must do what we can with the numbers we have. I can't find any argument by any epidemiologist that says we are better off under lockdown. I saw two one-hour-long interviews with Dr. Knut Wittkowski and an interview with Sweden's
Dr. Johan Giesecke. They seem to make sense to me. I honestly would like to see a counter argument.


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Posted by Sweden failed to contain the virus, . .
a resident of Monta Loma
on May 1, 2020 at 6:51 pm

> that explains why Sweden was wrong given what we know now, please do.

Sweden - 2,462 dead, and rising
Norway - 207
Finland - 206
Denmark - 443

Look at their curves - Sweden is still going *UP*.

Web Link

> We must do what we can with the numbers we have.

Look at Sweden then = Sweden is still going *UP*.


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Posted by Randy Guelph
a resident of Cuernavaca
on May 1, 2020 at 7:24 pm

If someone's going to post approvingly about the analysis by Knut Wittkowski, perhaps they should reference his earlier predictions about the pandemic:

"Wittkowski: Of all symptomatic cases. 2% of all symptomatic cases will die. That is 2% of the [25,000] a day. So that is 500 people a day, and that will happen over 4 weeks. So, that could be as high as 10,000 people."

This was in reference to cases in the United States, where we've now seen almost 65K dead Americans from this disease.


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