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Abe-Koga, Lieber lead in race for Mountain View City Council

Original post made on Nov 4, 2020

Experience may be the deciding factor in the Mountain View City Council race, with early election results showing current and former council members leading the pack.

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Posted by Gary
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Nov 4, 2020 at 2:37 am

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Since ballots postmarked by election day can be counted if they arrive within 2 weeks in California, it appears 5th place Alex Nunez might still get that 4th seat over Pat Showalter. Probably not - but maybe. On the national front at 2am, it appears that Joe Biden should barely win if all lawful votes are counted - but Trump and his comrades will launch various challenges in close states where Trump trails. Democrats will still control the House but will probably not get a majority of House delegations by state. That will mean that if Trump can delay the seating of the electors needed to vote for Biden in the Electoral College in December, Trump could be selected by the House to be President in January. For example, suppose Biden needs the slate of electors from Pennsylvania to reach the absolute majority (270) in the Electoral College. But who won Pennsylvania is still in court and not decided. Then the time for the Electoral College to pick a President (and VP) may expire.


Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 4, 2020 at 4:14 am

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MY thought:

If it does turn out that the FPPC investigation does conclude that the Mountain View Firefighters advertisement was illegal money laundering by the CAA, we can then demand that Margaret Abe Koga and Lisa Matichak resign or be expelled from the City Council seats they won.


They cannot be the benficiciaries of an illegal act by being seated on the city council.. Thus the next 2 candidates would automatically be seated in their places.

My hopes are the FPPC will come to the right conclusion, and these two will never be able to profit from this action.


Posted by Mark
a resident of Shoreline West
on Nov 4, 2020 at 9:39 am

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Steven,

You really need to stop with all your divisive posts that you constantly, repeatedly, make.

Your only issue as a renter that you have, is to put activists on the city council so you can have even more rights taken away from landlords so you can profit/benefit from that.

The election is over, MOVE ON.


Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 4, 2020 at 10:38 am

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Mark,

You KNOW that the FPPC has the documentary PROOF that the CAA broke the FPPC rules.

You KNOW that when it comes out that these political actions were illegal, that it DOES open up for the expulsion of those who benefited.

It has NOTHING to do with RENTS, it has EVERYTHING to do with illegal political practices.

Even if these two aren't expelled, the fact is that the "composition" of the new City Council will still be strongly independent from the influence of groups like the CAA.

I am looking to them also extending CSFRA protections to the Mobile homes.

I am looking forward to a CLEAN RHC soon.

What RIGHTS are being TAKEN away from LANDLORDS? Just another reminder, there are no special rights to anyone regarding property under the state of federal constitution's other than defined under emanate domain. Your just trying to "FRIGHTEN" people.


Posted by Mark
a resident of Shoreline West
on Nov 4, 2020 at 10:50 am

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Steven,

You just dson't get it.

And you still are giving yourself the manipulated/FAKE "LIKES"


Posted by beelia
a resident of North Bayshore
on Nov 4, 2020 at 11:06 am

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Yes, Steven, it's very important that we let them get away with it. We really need to worry about the emotional stress on people who take exception to the silly old FPPC's findings.

That's not a serious organization anyway, is it? It's just for entertaining the electorate - it's not for fixing actual problems with candidates who cheat to win.

Yeah, it's all just fake, so I added number 13 to your Likes.


Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 4, 2020 at 12:13 pm

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Mark,

Obviously you are a "law and order" supporter when you can find a way to make the laws work for you. You haven't even addressed the corruption apparent here.

As Beelia, said correctly the FPPC may "entertain" many people. BUT if they do come up with the conclusion of violations regarding this action, which in the history they have it opens up all kinds of problems.

I will make a correction however; the City Council might not be able to expel the MAK or LM. The City CAN under the City Charter found here:

"Section 1304. - Recall of elective officials.

Every incumbent of an elective office of the city, whether elected by popular vote or appointed thereto to fill a vacancy, shall be subject to removal from office by recall by the voters of the city. The procedure to effect such removal from office shall be as prescribed by the Elections Code of the State of California, as the same now exists or may hereafter be amended, relating to the recall of municipal officers."

Lets get to work on it! Thereby forcing MAK and LM to have to work so much on defending their actions they will not have the ability to achieve anything else.

However, in effect these two may wind up with no ability to do anything at all because the composition of the City Council is simply not in favor of them.

Lets look at the Roster: Margaret Abe Koga, Lisa Matichak, Pat Showalter, Sally Leiber were the current winners of the election, and Ellen Kamei, Allison hicks and Lucas Ramirez are the carry overs.

So lets look at this , Pat Showalter and Sally Leiber will likely not support anything that MAK or LM propose given their history. Allison Hicks has not supported MAK or LM in the past and I do not think she will in the future. Ellen Kamei has not been very clear in the news regarding her position, but she is known to be a “progressive” member of the City Council. Lucas Ramirez is also known to be a supporter of the CSFRA and a progressive.

Given this potential “coalition” within the city Council, I would think that MAK and LM are going to find it difficult if not impossible to get anywhere regarding their political objectives. GOOD!

So even if they don’t get recalled, these two are simply outnumbered and I hope they can just sit there but do nothing.


Posted by Mark
a resident of Shoreline West
on Nov 4, 2020 at 12:24 pm

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What are the odds of the poster "beelia" is the same person as Steven G?

Steven, when someone such as yourself continues to try and deceive people on this site, as you continually do with your manipulated "likes", then you really have no credibility on any issue.


Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 4, 2020 at 12:35 pm

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Mark,

Do you have anything to discuss on the subject, or are you going to continue to abuse others on the board?

Your only content on these boards is to personally attack and insult others.

I just hope my observation pans out and MAK and LM wind up twittling their thumbs. Maybe you understand the bad position they are in more than you want and your very frustrated about it?

In any case go ahead and continue to simply play the "offensive" like this?


Posted by Mark
a resident of Shoreline West
on Nov 4, 2020 at 1:17 pm

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@Steven,
You said,
"Do you have anything to discuss on the subject, or are you going to continue to abuse others on the board?

Your only content on these boards is to personally attack and insult others."
________________________________________________________________________________________

My reply is to you, not others.

1-You continue to manipulate "Likes", to deceive the readers/people. Trying to suggest that a whole lot of people support what you are saying.

2-You are complaining about me, responding to you? You are the Spam poster here, not me. Constantly posting back to every person who makes a post, constantly posting, even making posts to bump up a story, only to say "its sure quite in here, does anybody have something to say?


Posted by Gary
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Nov 4, 2020 at 2:16 pm

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Ok you two. No one falls for "likes." As to recall, it takes a lot of signatures to qualify for the ballot and proponents better have really good reasons for it to win. Being the beneficiary of special interest spending - even coupled by FPPC violations by special interests - will not be enough. But if, for example, the now lame-duck city council installed new Rental Housing Committee members before the 2 new councilmembers replace Councilmembers Clark and McAlister, then recall could be discussed (in my opinion). Frankly, we have far bigger problems than which Democrats serve on the Mountain View City Council. Donald Trump could steal a second term - an utter disaster for the country and the planet (in my view).


Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 4, 2020 at 2:40 pm

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In response to Mark you wrote:

“1-You continue to manipulate "Likes", to deceive the readers/people. Trying to suggest that a whole lot of people support what you are saying.”

As Gary pointed out the likes are a joke. They are a part of a Social Media systems and have no bearing or legal significance to anything. You wrote:

“2-You are complaining about me, responding to you? You are the Spam poster here, not me. Constantly posting back to every person who makes a post, constantly posting, even making posts to bump up a story, only to say "its sure quite in here, does anybody have something to say?”

First, I fact check people that are trying to con the readers on this website, I have the right to do that, it is not an abuse of the site. Second, when there is related news involving the topic, I have the right to do so, it is not an abuse of the site. Third, what is Bumping Up? Granted the default listing setting of the town square defaults to last postings, but if you even bother to notice there are options for “MOST VIEWED” and “MOST COMMENTS”. So what are you even talking about? Finally, what's wrong with asking a respectful question designed to encourage discussion?

This targeting you have of me and others, (there are many you also have targeted) is getting extreme.

Gary makes a point regarding the RHC. But Gary the fact that MAK and LM used their power in design to expel citizens of Mountain View, and the outright lies used to argue for Measure D are added justification, Right?


Posted by Steven Nelson
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Nov 4, 2020 at 3:14 pm

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The FPPC in my guess (I got fined by them once for a small campaign filing missed deadline) ONLY can request $ fines or moving around, giving back $ to injunctions. It does not in any way have any power to remove from elective office any candidate, that broke a filing law/regulation and then went on the win. That is what I think Gary of Sylvan Park neighborhood is talking about (recall is only citizen option)/.


Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 7, 2020 at 9:58 am

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OK now that Donald Trump is now going to leave the White House, here is some predictions.

The first is the CDC will start issuing REQUIREMENTS to control the spread of COVID, NOW that Donald Trump is NOT a threat to them.

The CDC will extend and strengthen the Eviction Order they made previously, possibly make it last as long as the COVID crisis is still in effect. This will mean the COVID National Emergency ORDER will have to be lifted prior to the Eviction Order.

We will now have the proper contagion control process in place.

I STRONLGY urge the City Council to extend its Eviction Moratorium. Given that yes the "unemployment" rate is going down, but not because of hiring, only because people are losing their Unemployment Insurance.

Now that Biden is in the White House, there will now be the House of Reps and the White House in effect working against the GOP Senate to extend those benefits as well. Which will spike the Unemployment rate.

We will see.


Posted by Steven Nelson
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Nov 9, 2020 at 12:35 pm

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What the heck are you talking (writing) about? There is no enforceable CDC Eviction Order.


Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 9, 2020 at 1:39 pm

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Steve,

Please read from the webpage titled " HHS/CDC TEMPORARY HALT IN RESIDENTIAL EVICTIONS TO PREVENT THE FURTHER SPREAD OF COVID-19" found here (Web Link).

And this one " Trump Administration Issues CDC Eviction Moratorium Guidance to Benefit Landlords over Renters" (Web Link).

What is the grim reality is that as long as you can document your eligibility, you have protection. The landlords will have to pay legal fees to challenge it. But as long as your not being deceptive, you are not in any threat.

The CDC when Biden gets in will change the rules to benefit tenants more, and extend it. This is simply a matter of time. Given the COVID lack of infection controls.


Posted by Judy
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Nov 26, 2020 at 1:47 pm

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HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE. STAY SAFE. No change from election night in close local races. I doubt there are many ballots left to count. Should be none. Maybe some corrections are still possible. A recount could be demanded, I suppose. Alex Nunez is 58 votes short of Pat Showalter for that 4th City Council seat in Mountain View. Too many to overcome. But Alex Nunez could win next time - if he runs. Most candidates for City Council had to run at least a second time to get elected. Councilmembers do receive some pay and full benefits. But it surely takes 20 hours per week just to read the material. Thanks for volunteering. There is one local race in doubt. The 5 candidates for 3 seats on the Los Altos Hills Council all did well. The third place candidate leads by ONE VOTE according to the Santa Clara County Registrar of Voters website. Don't let anyone convince you that your one vote does not matter. It just might make the difference.


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