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Rising COVID-19 cases force halt on indoor dining, return to 'red tier' restrictions in Santa Clara County

Original post made on Nov 13, 2020

Santa Clara County officials once again ordered the closure of indoor dining and will add other yet-to-be determined restrictions to public gatherings in response to a rapid rise in COVID-19 cases.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, November 13, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Posted by A Talking Cat
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 13, 2020 at 4:22 pm

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Posted by Victor Bishop
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 13, 2020 at 4:44 pm

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“ Red tier restrictions include limiting access to fitness centers to 10% of capacity, closing indoor family fun centers such as bowling alleys and theaters, and reducing general retail to 50% of capacity, he said.”

Mr Williams and Cody should become familiar with red tier restrictions. Theaters are allowed to be open in the red tier. San Mateo County is is the red tier and theaters are open.
What happened is that when we entered the red tier, Cody decided not to allow theaters to reopen.when we entered the orange theater, she reluctantly allowed them to open.
It would behoove these officials to present the actual facts.
IT would also help if Cody would not have allowed a local church to remain open for months, in defiance of county health orders, while telling us to follow the rules.


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Posted by Y
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 13, 2020 at 5:22 pm

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Who the hell thought it was a good idea to have indoor dining. Idiots like those who offered it and idiots who went are the reason that the covid numbers are spiking.


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Posted by Victor Bishop
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 13, 2020 at 5:36 pm

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Y- dont blame it on indoor dining.

Web Link

"State and local health officials couldn’t point to any particular cause of the most recent cases. Health and Human Services Agency Secretary Dr. Mark Ghaly said some counties saw cases linked to restaurants, others to churches. But the only consistent thing mentioned statewide was gatherings of friends and family."

I think that the health officials are clueless as to the cause of the surge. They are just grasping at straws. So much for data based decisions


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Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 13, 2020 at 5:44 pm

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In response to Victor Bishop you write:

““ Red tier restrictions include limiting access to fitness centers to 10% of capacity, closing indoor family fun centers such as bowling alleys and theaters, and reducing general retail to 50% of capacity, he said.”

Yes, BECAUSE the businesses AND the people going to them could not ON THEIR OWN manage to keep COVID from spreading VOLUNTARILY. Ad you know it You wrote:

‘Mr Williams and Cody should become familiar with red tier restrictions. Theaters are allowed to be open in the red tier. San Mateo County is is the red tier and theaters are open.”

“The state's action today adds these additional requirements, effective starting Friday, Nov. 13 in Contra Costa:

“Indoor family entertainment centers, such as bowling alleys, must close their indoor operations. Amusement parks cannot operate.”

This is what a “theater” is, it is an “indoor family entertainment center” You really need to be more careful in your claims, MAYBE San Mateo County mad a big mistake, which it WILL correct shortly. You wrote:

‘What happened is that when we entered the red tier, Cody decided not to allow theaters to reopen.when we entered the orange theater, she reluctantly allowed them to open.”

That is because under the Red tier a “family Entertainment center” or a “movie theater” was not allowed to open. Unfortunately the theaters themselves take time to reopen,(getting employees, and refreshing supplies, and getting NEW movies), that is not the fault or Dr. Cody. And you know it. You wrote:

“It would behoove these officials to present the actual facts.”

Please provide proof that your facts are accurate, or are you operating with “alternative” facts? You wrote:

“IT would also help if Cody would not have allowed a local church to remain open for months, in defiance of county health orders, while telling us to follow the rules.”

I do not think she did, in fact isn’t there a major fine being issued against a local church?

I hate to say I told you so…


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Posted by Victor Bishop
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 13, 2020 at 6:04 pm

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Goldstein states:

"“The state's action today adds these additional requirements, effective starting Friday, Nov. 13 in Contra Costa:
“Indoor family entertainment centers, such as bowling alleys, must close their indoor operations. Amusement parks cannot operate.”
This is what a “theater” is, it is an “indoor family entertainment center” You really need to be more careful in your claims, MAYBE San Mateo County mad a big mistake, which it WILL correct shortly."

First of all, here is a NY Times story regarding the tiers:
Web Link
"Counties in the red tier have sustained a substantial spread of infections and are allowed to resume some indoor activities with limited capacities. There are 24 counties in this tier, including San Diego, Riverside and Sacramento. Counties in this tier can open gyms and movie theaters at limited capacity. They are also allowed to open schools for in-person instruction if they have been in the tier for at least two weeks in a row."

More specifically, here is a story regarding COntra COsta COunty
Web Link
"Earlier this week, the California Dept. of Public Health officially moved Contra Costa and ten other counties in the state to the "red tier, the second-most restrictive tier under state COVID-19 guidelines."
and
"Movie theaters and indoor worshipping services must also reduce capacity to 25 percent or fewer than 100 people."

Goldstein further states:
"That is because under the Red tier a “family Entertainment center” or a “movie theater” was not allowed to open. Unfortunately the theaters themselves take time to reopen,(getting employees, and refreshing supplies, and getting NEW movies), that is not the fault or Dr. Cody. And you know it."

I have already shown that movie theaters were allowed to open in the red tier.

More specifically here is a story stating that only when we came into the orange tier were theaters allowed to reopen
Web Link
"When Santa Clara County moved into the state’s Orange Tier on Tuesday, entertainment-starved movie fans may have been elated to hear that indoor movie theaters were among the businesses being allowed to open at a limited 25% capacity."

Goldstein says:
'Please provide proof that your facts are accurate, or are you operating with “alternative” facts? "
I think I provided facts regarding the red tier and theater openings/

Goldstein says:
"I do not think she did, in fact isn’t there a major fine being issued against a local church?"
There was fines, but the church remained open for 6 months. Cody knew that fact and did nothing.

Goldstein says:
"I hate to say I told you so…"
So don't. Because you didn't

End of discussion, from my point of view. As I and other have stated, no point in discussing it further with goldstein


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Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 13, 2020 at 6:49 pm

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In response to Victor Bishop you write:

“"First of all, here is a NY Times story regarding the tiers:

Web Link

Your reliance on this story was inaccurate because in effect the California tiers are “guidelines” and not “requirements”. You can watch the report here describing this error (Web Link). Please understand that means there are possible new facts that might require certain activities to be stopped because for example Movie Theaters, they have no atmospheric disinfection systems in the theaters. Granted they are restricted in the guidelines at 25% capacity. That means a theater that has 100 seats will allow 25 seats to be used. BUT since there is no airborne disinfection that means 1 person can infect another 24 per showing in that theater. THAT is why the County chose to take its action. You wrote:

"That is because under the Red tier a “family Entertainment center” or a “movie theater” was not allowed to open. Unfortunately the theaters themselves take time to reopen,(getting employees, and refreshing supplies, and getting NEW movies), that is not the fault or Dr. Cody. And you know it."

I have already shown that movie theaters were allowed to open in the red tier.”

The “guidelines” allow it, but if the risk is too high, given the trend of infection like what we are seeing, there are good cause to go stronger. Please understand that? You wrote:

“Goldstein says:

'Please provide proof that your facts are accurate, or are you operating with “alternative” facts? "

I think I provided facts regarding the red tier and theater openings/”

But you didn’t because the “guidelines” are not “requirements”, just like when the laws say “may” instead of “shall”. You are conflating requirements with guidelines. I just demonstrated that the situation does make it appropriate to go stronger than the guidelines. And you know it. You simply are trying to promote an “alternative” reality that doesn’t exist. You wrote:

“Goldstein says:

"I do not think she did, in fact isn’t there a major fine being issued against a local church?"

There was fines, but the church remained open for 6 months. Cody knew that fact and did nothing.”

Actually from what I have read, the church was issued multiple warnings please read the story found here (Web Link ):

“Santa Clara County counsel James Williams said that's the reason why the county felt the need to go to court.

"We tried to work with them for a long time, they've admitted to the violations and so we are seeking the help of the court in enforcing these really important orders," he said. "The reality is, almost every congregation, regardless of faith tradition has been safely in compliance with the public health directives."”

It was NO surprise and there was NO conset by the county to this action. And you know it. You wrote:

“Goldstein says:

"I hate to say I told you so…"

So don't. Because you didn't”

I said in multiple posts that we are returning to Red tier, we did, you are correct because I didn’t define the context. Here is what I wrote:

“Well it is about official.

Santa Clara County is back to the Red tier again.

The latest COVID Blueprint update for Nov. 9, 2020 is out regarding Santa Clara County, we are now back in the Code Red state.( Web Link)

The Unadjusted rate is getting very close to the Purple Tier. And we are not even close to Thanksgiving. This holiday season is in all likelihood going to be only online. The Health Professionals were trying to help us, trying to avoid this, but NO ONE BOTHERED TO BEHAVE. Its just a matter of time an announcement of the change will happen. The Adjusted rate went up .9 a relative change of 28% plus. It is just a matter of time."


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Nov 13, 2020 at 8:18 pm

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There is hope on the horizon. Trump lost and might actually be replaced on January 20. Might. Tricks remain. And the other good news is that science has almost caught up with this virus. Almost. There is talk of vaccines administered starting about the time Trump pardons himself and his family and allies for every federal crime to date. What date? January 20. Can we all avoid Covid-19 in the meantime? Maybe until mid-2021? Let's try. Thanksgiving? Christmas? Online - not in-person.


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Posted by Bill
a resident of Rex Manor
on Nov 14, 2020 at 6:46 pm

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When will this end? I know we are all getting super tired of this. I understand the science but wonder how society can keep it together? Fyi, you can find me at my kissing booth at the end of my driveway this weekend. Just kidding and stay safe out there folks! Happy bunker holiday.


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Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 14, 2020 at 9:21 pm

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Bill,

Boy do I get you, I am really feeling the fatigue and the pain of not being unable to be in the company of others.

The frustration is compounded because I was warning the City in January and February about the length of time this was going to take. You can actually see me in the last meeting that occurred in the City Hall.

We never set up for the long term impact. This should have been started from the Trump Administration, followed up by the Newson Administration, then the Santa Clara County board of Supervisors, and then the City of Mountain View City Council.

All of the above HOPED the COVID issue would only take at most 6 months, and only planned for that length. This was a MAJOR mistake given that the 1918 Influenza event took more than 2 years.

All of the above needed to plan for both the physical and psychological impact of COVID, but didn't.

We are way behind in dealing with this disaster. Notice I am holding no punches, the people responsible for dealing this situation is in both he Republicans and the Democrats.


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Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 15, 2020 at 4:58 pm

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I am still very frustrated.

All these people trying to attack our Public Health Officials and the State and County governments that have been trying to avoid a massive outbreak in the county.

So far they have been achieving better results than most of the state and the country.

We have managed to KEEP COVID from spreading beyond 30,000 people and so far less than 500 deaths.

And these critics want to in effect let the virus run free and kill as many people it can.

Instead the Department of Public Health deserves to be congratulated. Our county is outperforming most of the nation. It is NOT time to get complacent, until the COVID threat is NEUTRALIZED we are going to have to keep fighting it.

I hope we all can agree to this?


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Posted by Get out in Front
a resident of Cuernavaca
on Nov 15, 2020 at 8:38 pm

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On Tuesday, it's expected Santa Clara County will re-enter the Red Tier.

However, the positive case numbers (unadjusted for the testing volume credit) are already well into the Purple Tier range. Even with the volume credit, Santa Clara County may already have reached Purple Tier numbers.

With exponential growth and every day being critical, rather than wait another week or two for Gavin Newsom to officially place Santa Clara County in the Purple, I hope our County Health officials preemptively take action to enact changes to dampen the trendline, before it gets even more pronounced and difficult to control/reverse.

A big thank you to our County Health officials and their actions to date.


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Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 15, 2020 at 9:15 pm

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In response Get out in Front you wrote:

“However, the positive case numbers (unadjusted for the testing volume credit) are already well into the Purple Tier range. Even with the volume credit, Santa Clara County may already have reached Purple Tier numbers.”

I hate to disagree with you only partly here. We have not yet gotten into the Purple Tier yet on both unadjusted and adjusted. But I will agree that given the “momentum” that is already started, it is hardly likely we can’t stop getting into purple very soon. You wrote:

“With exponential growth and every day being critical, rather than wait another week or two for Gavin Newsom to officially place Santa Clara County in the Purple, I hope our County Health officials preemptively take action to enact changes to dampen the trendline, before it gets even more pronounced and difficult to control/reverse.”

Here is a complete agreement and even going on to say by us trying to thread the needle like we do here we are in no place to really stop the spread of COVID and we are in fact accepting more deaths instead of preventing them. Unlike others, I do not subscribe that ANY death is acceptable. We lost 4 more people in the last 3 days. However, given the rules that were made, our local Department of Health are NOT provided the ability to be PROActive but REactive. They are doing their best given the rules they are being subjected to. So when you wrote:

“A big thank you to our County Health officials and their actions to date.”

I think you are correct on that, even though they are working with one hand tied behind their back.


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Posted by Miguel Sanchez
a resident of North Whisman
on Nov 16, 2020 at 3:29 pm

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For the past month, it's been very clear that there is so much more activity all around the city. City streets have had more traffic, parking lots more full, and even when I've done pick up of food (not indoor dining) there are more people getting stuff. This is all wonderful for the economy, of course, but I always wondered how this was all going to play out in terms of future infections. I guess we now have our answer.


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Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 16, 2020 at 4:53 pm

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Well it is official.

Governor Newsom declared us a Purple tier today.


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Posted by mikepat
a resident of Monta Loma
on Nov 16, 2020 at 8:34 pm

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"insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein. Walking the Steven Creeks trail today we saw half oy the people without masks, with no penalty.


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Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 16, 2020 at 8:50 pm

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mikepat,

I agree that not wearing masks is a bad idea.

But the general rule is that if your farther than 6 feet from each other outdoors it is ok. But I also think it should be more like 12 feet.

This is what one source says (Web Link.):

"Individuals are exempt from wearing face coverings in the following specific settings:

Persons in a car alone or solely with members of their own household.

Persons who are working in an office or in a room alone.

Persons who are actively eating or drinking provided that they are able to maintain a distance of at least six feet away from persons who are not members of the same household or residence.

Persons who are outdoors and maintaining at least 6 feet of social distancing from others not in their household. Such persons must have a face covering with them at all times and must put it on if they are within 6 feet of others who are not in their household.

Persons who are obtaining a service involving the nose or face for which temporary removal of the face covering is necessary to perform the service.

Workers who are required to wear respiratory protection.

Persons who are specifically exempted from wearing face coverings by other CDPH guidance."

Did they at least have masks with them?

But thank you for your community services, we need to owrk together on COVID


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Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 20, 2020 at 1:16 pm

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The Hospitals report they will be overrun in 3 weeks if this keeps up in the Merc.

The story is here (Web Link)

“SEE WHAT YOU MADE US DO”

We could have PREVENTED this.

But NO, you all had to be selfish, and wanted to hurt or kill as many people you could.

You ALL that wanted to open up and not take preventative steps should be identified and ARRESTED for attempted murder.


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