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'Cancel your travel plans': Santa Clara County urges caution during holidays as COVID-19 cases rise

Original post made on Dec 23, 2020

At an emotional press conference Wednesday on the cusp of Christmas Eve, Santa Clara County health leaders begged the public to cancel their holiday travel and gathering plans to help prevent further skyrocketing COVID-19 cases.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, December 23, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Posted by Victor Bishop
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Dec 23, 2020 at 3:40 pm

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“ All of the numbers are going the wrong way and the reality is grim, she added. ”

When I look at the data set, I see decreasing cases since the 15th.
Web Link

Of course mrs Cody has never been really forthcoming about numbers, or real data showing where the majority of infections are occuring. I think part of the reason people are ignoring Cody’s pleadings is a loss of confidence in the county health officials to be forthcoming with facts and information.


Posted by Gerard Shonk
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Dec 23, 2020 at 3:55 pm

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The public officials have lost credibility because they refuse to share key data and cherry-pick other data when it suits them. Here’s a data point: 49% of the Covid deaths in Santa Clara County are from Long-Term Care Facilities. Are Cody and Smith doing anything to address that obvious issue? Of course not. Instead they’d rather use the same blunt instrument approach to the entire population that they’ve used for 9 months, rather than focus on specific populations that could make the most impact. It’s not working, and people have tuned them out, and rightly so.


Posted by Victor Bishop
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Dec 23, 2020 at 4:12 pm

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Gerald- couldn’t agree more. There is an article in today’s MV voice discussing how MV senior care facilities have been hit hard by COVID. Remember also that back in March mrs Cody used fear as her weapon to keep us in our places.

Plus when you newsome, breed, liccardo and brix openly flaunting the guidelines that they order us to obey, it makes people wonder. And in liccardo’s case, even though he broke the law, mrs Cody did not fine or arrest him. Looks like you have one of the Palo Alto elite protecting one of the San Jose elite, nice message it sends


Posted by BDBD
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Dec 23, 2020 at 5:10 pm

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@VictorBishop, on all the data dashboards, the county says that the data for the last seven days is preliminary. It's not surprising that the total looks lower since the 15th (which was eight days ago), because it can take seven days for swabs to be tested and results to be reported to the county. The numbers for the 16th-23rd will only rise as more results come in.


Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Dec 23, 2020 at 5:11 pm

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Hello Victor long time no see.

Lets give the readers the actual dashboard it is here regarding the ICU capacity, which is only 11% (Web Link). 42% are COVID patients.

Also the Blueprint dashboard is found here (Web Link) and it reports a 7.6% positivity rate and adjusted 25 per 100,000 people currently infected and the adjusted test rate of 362 per 100,000.



Finally when it comes to the capacity of the hospitals there are only 1754 non ICU beds in the county, and we have NO BEDS LEFT if you look at this dashboard (Web Link)

You really need to look more carefully. We are actually at maximum capacity at this time and some people are going to die because of that alone, not COVID.

No more of your misleading information on this discussion, I hope.




Posted by Victor Bishop
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Dec 23, 2020 at 5:20 pm

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BDBD - if it is taking a week for test results to be given to the county that may explain our rising numbers. People are tested, who may be positive, results are not returned for a week. Meanwhil these infected people are spreading the virus to others. If that was the case, it is a monumental failure of our county health officials

GoldyCISSP- I posted a link to a county dashboard. No false or misleading information. And once again you are trying to bully people that disagree with you.


Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Dec 23, 2020 at 6:13 pm

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In response to Victor Bishop you wrote:

“BDBD - if it is taking a week for test results to be given to the county that may explain our rising numbers.”

NO IT DOESN’T. What explains it is that people like yourself promoted things like participating in activities with higher risk than the safe actions. Doing so made you more likely to get infected. THe TESTS only DETECT when you are infected and nothing more. You wrote:

“People are tested, who may be positive, results are not returned for a week.”

If people were acting safely, the testing would not even be necessary. Because these people would not have been at risk. But instead, you and your friends encouraged more risky behaviors, right? You wrote:

“Meanwhil these infected people are spreading the virus to others. If that was the case, it is a monumental failure of our county health officials.”

The OFFICIALS cannot prevent poor judgement from the people from getting them sick. You and your kind lobbied and forced the health officials to only have guidelines and rarely enforced them. The solution is that if ANYONE is caught doing anything unsafe regarding COVID should be taken into custody and quarantined, right? Then you can hold them responsible. You wrote:

“GoldyCISSP- I posted a link to a county dashboard. No false or misleading information. And once again you are trying to bully people that disagree with you.”

Not bullying anyone, just pointing out that you were a contributor to the current crisis all along.


Posted by Victor Bishop
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Dec 23, 2020 at 6:37 pm

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GoldiCssip says : "What explains it is that people like yourself promoted things like participating in activities with higher risk than the safe actions."

LOL. You mean like disagreeing with GoldiCSSIP??? Or do you mean dining outdoors during the months it was allowed or using outdoor playgrounds or meeting friends for socially distanced events??? or just disagreeing with GoldiCSSip/steven goldstein???


Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Dec 23, 2020 at 6:45 pm

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Victor,

You KNOW those were HIGHER RISK activities, and the public health officials did say so on so many occasions. The only safe thing to do is limit social interactions and prevent sharing in effect ANY air.

The people like yourself simply said to us, "Don't worry we got this." Especially the topic of outdoor dining. But the correlation of infection increase, and the lowering of the color tiers are clear as day. The reality is that unless you are not allowed to undertake riskier activities, you will do it, and the infections reflected it.

Time for you to take responsibility for your actions in this matter.


Posted by Gerard Shonk
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Dec 23, 2020 at 7:25 pm

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Steven seems to be neglecting some key data.....just an oversight and not intentional I’m sure:

—49% of SCC deaths are in LTCF facilities
—94% of SCC deaths are over 50
—over 80% of deaths had 1 or more co-morbidity
—there is zero published data that outdoor dining drove community spread in SCC
—there is zero published data that retail drove community spread in SCC
—there is zero published data from SCC on ICU and non-ICU hospital utilization in the last several Decembers so we’d have something to compare the current situation to
—there is data, published in the Los Altos paper today, the distance learning is failing our most economically disadvantaged kids and causing them to fall further behind
—there is data that poverty and crime is increasing in SCC and there are long lines for food at local churches right here in Mountain View.

I could go on. But please just continue trying to shame people and defending a policy that SCC has been employing for the last 9 months that is doing nothing but destroying businesses and the livelihood of many thousands in this city and county while doing nothing to protect the people most vulnerable to Covid.


Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Dec 23, 2020 at 9:34 pm

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In response to Gerard Shok you said:

“Steven seems to be neglecting some key data.....just an oversight and not intentional I’m sure:

—49% of SCC deaths are in LTCF facilities”

That means 51% of SCC deaths are NOT in LTCF facilities right? You wrote

“—94% of SCC deaths are over 50”

So you want to practice unsafe living because it ONLY is happening to the eldery? You know that is not the current trend now, it is equally infecting all age groups. You wrote:

“—over 80% of deaths had 1 or more co-morbidity”

Again if people are acting unsafely and increases the infections your just making it more dangerous for those not yet infected, your not making any sense. You wrote:

—there is zero published data that outdoor dining drove community spread in SCC”

However ther is research that proves it is a danger, you forget the recent reports like the one on ABC New 7 titled “Is it necessary to ban outdoor dining in California's regional stay-at-home order? Doctor explains COVID-19 risk” found here (Web Link.) and there is this report too “ NEW CDC REPORT CITES DINING OUT AS A SIGNIFICANT COVID RISK “ (Web Link) You wrote:

“—there is zero published data that retail drove community spread in SCC”

That may be true but more importantly there is no published data proving it is safe either. You are just like NASA was when the Morton Thiokol engineers warned about the Challenger launch and NASA said what proof do you have it is unsafe, we all know what happened next. You wrote:

“—there is zero published data from SCC on ICU and non-ICU hospital utilization in the last several Decembers so we’d have something to compare the current situation to”

Talking about it doesn’t matter, There is no available standard beds available in all the county and only 11% available ICUS. Your comment simply is ridiculous, we do not have practically any resources left in the county for hospitals NOW. You wrote:

“—there is data, published in the Los Altos paper today, the distance learning is failing our most economically disadvantaged kids and causing them to fall further behind”

Yes, but the question is do you want to see teachers, students or others infected, possibly permanently impaired due to long haul symptoms upon recovery or deaths? WHY NOT PLAY SAFE? You wrote:

“—there is data that poverty and crime is increasing in SCC and there are long lines for food at local churches right here in Mountain View.”

That is because we did not actually prepare ourselves for the big long term problems of having a Just In Time for profit healthcare system that did not provide any reserves for a big pandemic.

We did not implement support systems to establish long term stabilization for people not able to work for what it should have been understood to be at least 2 years.

What we did in all of the economy was having at least 40% of businesses being ZOMBIES, they were not succeeding and only surviving by getting loans to cover expenses and making just enough to not fail to pay debt.


Posted by Michael
a resident of Cuernavaca
on Dec 24, 2020 at 3:58 pm

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Many businesses could have adapted to the pandemic but balked. Big businesses lobbied for public handouts - with a story about how subsidizing them would trickle down to real people in real need of help. Anyone who imagines the pandemic isn't real might consider (1) heading down to Calvery Church - open this Christmas eve (December 24) in Almaden Valley, (2) chipping in money for the defense attorneys and millions of dollars in county fines - plus a little something extra for paid employees of the church and (3) saying a prayer for the devil incarnate: Donald Trump - the self-proclaimed "chosen one." Maybe if you hurry, you can kill your parents with Covid-19 and still get a full pardon from Trump before he leaves office. Otherwise, I have no strong opinions - one way or another!


Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Dec 27, 2020 at 5:10 pm

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I just saw that only 2,000,000 doses of vaccine were delivered and administered so far on CNN.

Everyone said there would be 20,000,000 by the end of the month.

If this trend continues, the projections made are not even going to be close. they barely reached 10% of the projection in December.

If it urns out that the production is that slow or the supply chains cannot achieve even 50% of the projection, the vaccination program will double in time length, and that is if the vaccines prove safe and effective.

Imagine if only say 25,000,000 people get vaccinated by July of next year and only 50,000,000 by the end of the year? The Movie Contagion predicted this problem, and Trump and the like simply said, of we got this we just spend enough and we can do better.

It looks like that even if 2 more vaccines come on the market the best we might achieve is 100,000,000 people vaccinated by the end of 2021, Since there are 330,000,000 people in the U.S. that means it will be at least 2 years before we can approach enough people to START returning to normal, right?


Posted by Steven Goldstein
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Dec 29, 2020 at 7:35 pm

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As of today we are still at only 7% ICU bed availability, that's with the "Surge" additions.


Lets just face it, that we are not making much progress, and it looks like we are going to be in the CODE BLUE order through the winter.

But what else can be done? What can we do that will reduce hospital utilization WHILE increasing risk of spread of COVID?

We cannot just magically increase the ICU beds and resources can we?

Will someone please give us an answer?


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