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High speed rail ridership figures challenged

Original post made on Feb 9, 2010

The agency charged with building California's controversial high speed rail system is basing its ridership and revenue forecasts on a deeply flawed model that hasn't been adequately reviewed, a Palo Alto-based watchdog group is alleging.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 11:16 AM

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Posted by NeHi
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Feb 9, 2010 at 4:53 pm

"You started with some bad data and you got bad results," Alexis said.

Sounds like they started with bad data and got better results.

They have also revised the projected cost of a trip to L.A.; guess which direction.

But we won't have to waste time going thru security will we??

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Posted by Voter
a resident of Jackson Park
on Feb 9, 2010 at 5:08 pm

They put out bad data because the average voter is a non-thinker and votes solely based on his or her immediate needs or what they think would be a neat idea.

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Posted by ActLocally
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 9, 2010 at 10:53 pm

Alexis' efforts to making the h/s rail project transparent are to be applauded. MTC comments on the radio program were very vague and (I would say) dismissive in not providing details on the route choice.

Her website has a lot of useful information:
Web Link

Doty compared ridership numbers to predictions of the weather?? Does he forget that ridership numbers are a large part of what justifies the project?? Shall we continue to entrust our tax dollars to a dismissive bureaucrat who holds such a flippant and arrogant attitude?

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Posted by Rodger
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Feb 10, 2010 at 6:00 pm

The High Speed Rail project is a joke. The cost will end up being around $100 Billion which we can not afford and for what. We have several airlines competing for our business and will fly us to LA at 500 miles per hour in complete safety. I have lived in California for almost 50 years and there has been only one airline crash between the bay area and the LA area and that was by a crazy person shooting the pilot which is now impossible. Let's kill this project and spend a few bucks on our kids education and the like.

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Posted by Marty
a resident of another community
on Mar 11, 2010 at 1:05 pm

Robert Doty, the director of the Bay Area segment of the Boondoggle Railroad, stated it is "impossible to predict exact ridership numbers - that forcasting ridership is like predicting the weather".

Then why do we need to pay for this consulting firm Cambridge Systematics?

This entire project is just a way of railroading taxpayers out of their money. It is a waste of time, and a huge waste of money.

Trains, including high speed trains, are yesterdays technology.
Airplanes make this trip daily; faster, cheaper, and safer.
They fly over cities, not through them.

Why won't the politicians just be honest and tell us what this is about; a make work project for their friends ; business consultants, architecture firms, engineering firms, construction companies, and corrupt unions - and donors to their campaigns.
Career politicians love this project because they get to doll out billions. Nobody cares about if it is needed, necessary, or even cost wise. Or the effect on the communities they fail to serve.

This project can only be stopped by throwing out career politicians; starting with Anna Eshoo.

The only thing high speed about this is how fast they can ram it through your community; the goal is to get it "To big to Fail!",(remember that from the investment banks?) to a point which it will have to be nurtured with more and more and more tax dollars.

Bart to the airport was a failure, today trains run empty across massive infrastructure , ( one overpass crossing built over highway 101 is not even being used!). Look who was behind that: Quintin Kopp.
Get a real job Quintin, stop sponging off the public.
We need are billions for police, schools, and health care, not a silly useless train nobody will use.

High Speed Rail, The Amtrak of Tomorrow.

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Posted by eric
a resident of another community
on Mar 12, 2010 at 3:10 pm

Marty, I'm going to steal your Amtrack comment and use it every time this comes up in conversation-- good one!

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