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Neighbors frothing over beer garden plan

Original post made on Jun 1, 2012

A handful of condo dwellers on Bryant Street have so far been successful in blocking a new restaurant and beer garden proposed for 895 Villa Street, but applicant Ted Kim is asking for the City Council to reverse the decision before summer break.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, June 1, 2012, 10:29 AM


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Shoreline West
on Jun 1, 2012 at 11:18 am

" Lynn claimed he could hear people cheering at the Tied House Patio during hockey games. "

Close your windows. Btw - the tvs are inside. Please explain.

"They complained about existing problems with the Monte Carlo night club, whose patrons spill out into the parking lot behind 895 Villa at 2 a.m. and are known to urinate, fight and litter near the condos.

"Until the noise problem at present levels is mitigated, I wouldn't want to expand alcohol licenses," said 230 Bryant Street resident David Lynn."

You're thinking that withholding a license from Stein will stop Monte Carlo customers from urinating outside? I fail to see the logic.

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Posted by eric
a resident of another community
on Jun 1, 2012 at 12:37 pm

If you buy a condo in the thick of downtown, you don't get to complain that other people enjoy the environment, too.

If the City lets what sounds like a very nice addition to downtown escape, but continues to allow the thugs at Monte Carlo to mess things up, that would be all the evidence I need that we need new leadership at city hall. This is crazy!

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Posted by Vince
a resident of Monta Loma
on Jun 1, 2012 at 12:40 pm

If you want to encourage the city council to overturn the zoning decision and allow the restaurant, the easiest way is to use the Ask Mountain View web site: Web Link

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Posted by kathy
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jun 1, 2012 at 12:49 pm

I agree with Eric. Why did you move there. Of course there is going to be noise. Downtown ???????

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Posted by Peter
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Jun 1, 2012 at 1:04 pm

I lived in Bryant Street before and to hear people complain over downtown noise is mind boggling to me. I chose to live downtown for a reason. People who do live there cannot expect there to be total silence. Perhaps it’s time for you to move elsewhere if the noise is too much.

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Posted by Chris
a resident of Waverly Park
on Jun 1, 2012 at 1:37 pm

Nobody forced these Bryant Street neighbors to move a block away from the entertainment district. Tied House was there first, your housing development came later. If these people are not cut out to live near restaurants and nightclubs, move out. The city of MV attitude towards these new business applicants is very disturbing. The planning dept allowed this housing development so close to Castro St and now the applicants for new businesses get punished.Next will be the people moving into the Minton development asking Caltrains to stop all trains between the hours of 10pm and 6am, so they get better sleep. It seems to me the personal choices of a few should not have any influence on how downtown MV businesses are run. They are serving the entire City of over 70 000 and people from neighboring Cities, as well. I expected more from this MVCC, let's not keep more businesses away from MV.

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Posted by Roger
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jun 1, 2012 at 1:57 pm

Put in a 12-story hotel instead and see what everyone starts to crow about then.

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Posted by sparty
a resident of another community
on Jun 1, 2012 at 2:09 pm

Remember all the houses along Guadalupe Pkwy in San Jose...before they redid it? They all had small, but decent 2/3 room houses that they rented for $350 a month. They went in KNOWING they'd have to move, that was the tradeoff.

So when they got ready to tear them down, they all rose a stink. Some people will complain no matter what, knowing full well what they're getting into. Hopefully the county/state didn't pay them off after all the cheap rent they'd been getting, just to shut them up.

Although---it is a wise move to go by a neighborhood at night before moving in...more than once. That pretty good house with the two neighbors that take great care of their lawn still might be off the hook at night.

One of the quickest and usually most informative tell tale signs...if you go by at night and there isn't enough space to slip a sheet a paper through between all the cars parked on the streets (and 2-4 cars on every driveway) probably don't want to live there.

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Posted by Steve Napoli
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jun 1, 2012 at 2:28 pm

The sentiment of the residents on the Old Mountain View social chat, OMVNATalk was entirely zoning administrator Peter Gilli's ruling. Peter Gilli is insensitive to resident sentiment and logic.

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Posted by Vicki
a resident of Castro City
on Jun 1, 2012 at 3:08 pm

I would love to have this Beer Garden in downtown Mountain View. Expanded patio hours are a necessity and I hope MVCC will rethink it's position on the few that chose to live near downtown.

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Posted by Andrew
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jun 1, 2012 at 3:09 pm

As another resident on Bryant Street (albeit further down the street), I am all for this project (with its later hours). I think it is a great space for it, although I hope the trees along Bryant (that are quite stinky for a period of the year) don't affect it too much.

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Posted by Max Hauser
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jun 1, 2012 at 3:48 pm

Max Hauser is a registered user.

For some reason, the Voice web site accumulates two separate, independent sets of comments for each article like this. One set of comments on the original story, another to a Town Square topic linked to the same story.

Here's the link to the original article page. It has a further set of comments, including my notes from the zoning hearing (and the hearing right afterwards, about Monte Carlo closing hours):

Web Link

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Posted by lindaloo
a resident of The Crossings
on Jun 1, 2012 at 5:40 pm

There are not nearly enough places to dine outdoors in this area, which boggles the mind. We're in CA folks! I would welcome this new addition.

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Posted by DCS
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jun 1, 2012 at 10:41 pm

I would much rather have a beer garden there than anything else, I hope there is a compromise.

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Posted by reader
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Jun 1, 2012 at 11:19 pm

This reminds me of the residents living under the flight path of Reid-Hillview complaining about the noise.....when the airport was there LONG before the houses were built.

Folks who don't like the sounds of city life probably should not live in the downtown part of a city.

Please, City of MV, this sounds like a lovely restaurant and I personally would love a little more variety in the choices of food in MV.

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Posted by Wine-No
a resident of Cuernavaca
on Jun 2, 2012 at 6:12 am

Well, these sort of alcohol dispensaries have historically been tied to a lot of violence and crime so I can understand the concerns of the neighbors. We had an estimated 200 person riot outside Zen just recently where we had to call for help from other cities police depts.

I find it fascinating that the alcohol dispensaries seem to share this same pattern of regularly occurring fights and problems, while the cannabis dispensaries that have been around for decades now have not shown such a pattern. If I had the choice, I would MUCH rather live next to a cannabis dispensary that closes at 10pm. These have been proven, over the decades now, to be MUCH safer than alcohol dispensaries have proven to be.

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Posted by Gunter
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Jun 2, 2012 at 7:11 am

You can call it a restaurant if you like, but everyone knows what will draw the masses(alcohol) and what will cause the problems(alcohol).
I've been to may cities that have restaurants that put high quality beer in the spotlight. They quickly turn into bars that serve food.

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Posted by Digusted
a resident of Shoreline West
on Jun 2, 2012 at 10:37 pm

Gunter you sum it up....alcohol is evil. Oh wait we were talking about business and tax revenue! I do agree that there are places like Monte Carlo or whatever its called now and all the punks that end up there. Crack down on them . Do not on Bier gardens or even talk about throwing Tied House under the bus. They are viable businesses wanting and willing to pay taxes. I VOTE THAT WE ALLL MAKE A MOVE TO REMOVE EVERY PERSON FROM THE COUNSEL AND PLANNING! THEY ARE SUCKING OUR MONEY AND KILLING OUR LOCAL ECONOMY AND PROPERTY VALUE!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Bill Hough
a resident of another community
on Jun 4, 2012 at 11:57 am

I currently work in north San Jose and frequently use VTA's light rail to visit downtown Mountain View for dinner after work. One can have dinner at an establishment such as Steins and return home on light rail without worrying about getting popped for DUI. I would like to support the Mountain View economy by visiting Steins after work but with the Zoning Administrator's proposed hours they'd be shutting down the beer garden by the time I would be showing up after getting off work.

Forcing Stein's to close their beer garden at an arbitrary early hour would defeat its purpose. Especially in the long summer months, Californians like to take advantage of our wonderful climate to enjoy dinner and drinks outside. And Steins' location at 895 Villa Street is in downtown; they should not be governed by rules more appropriate for a quiet residential street. Shame on the people buying condos downtown and then complaining about the noise.

The economy is still lousy, and Mountain View should be bending over backward to help anyone wanting to bring jobs and tax revenue to your city. Perhaps it's time for the city to find another Zoning Administrator.

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Posted by USA
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jun 4, 2012 at 1:17 pm

A high-end beer garden that closes early would bring in a different crowd than the Monte Carlo.

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Posted by Sparty
a resident of Shoreline West
on Jun 4, 2012 at 2:22 pm

Who hangs out at Monte Carlo? Talk a walk down there on the weekend and have a look. And the places across the street? In on instance women who attack their boyfriends and get arrested.

Who hangs out at beer gardens? Redwood City anyone? Missing iphone? Do you really think people on the bleeding edge of silicon valley are going to be running through parking lots at 2am?

And those bars were there long before those condos...

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Posted by Share
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jun 5, 2012 at 7:47 am

I live right next to Tied House and the crowd/noise/smell does not bother me or my two very small children. A beer garden is a million times better for the neighborhood than any chain restaurant like the Chicken Coop, these people complaining should realize that this is the best possible outcome. The building will be updated, and a nice restaurant will be there, much better than the all you can eat Asian restaurant that did nothing for the neighborhood whatsoever.

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Posted by Jo
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jun 5, 2012 at 11:16 am

Villa 08 is an eyesore and a hard to develop property with a tortured history. It is about time someone tried a new concept there and invested enough money to make it work. That seems to finally be the case with Mr Kim. The Lynn's should have considered the location of their property when they purchased it, so they have no right to hold downtown hostage. What is more, Tied House should be allowed to open to at least midnight.

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Posted by Samuel
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jun 6, 2012 at 2:55 pm

On one hand you have new tax revenues coming in, a rejuvenated downtown landscape, a vacant building that will be renovated, and a restaurant that attracts consumers from people all over. On the other hand, you have 3 or 4 residents wanting to keep the building vacant so they can have their peace and quiet at 6pm. What benefit does it serve the city of Mountain View to keep this select group of residents happy? Perhaps these residents are well connected.

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Posted by smadison
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jun 19, 2012 at 7:32 pm

smadison is a registered user.

[Reposting earlier comments from the other, identical article...]

I find it reprehensible that ONE resident can single-handedly jeopardize responsible business growth in downtown Mountain View. [The portion where I named the person whose complaint is on file was removed as it was perceived as a personal attack. You can go look it up yourself I guess]

I purchased my home in Mountain View in 1990, specifically because of the downtown revitalization efforts that had just been launched. Over the past two decades, I have enjoyed the proximity to public transportation, services, and downtown destinations that have made Mountain View a bustling urban destination. I enjoy equally the sounds of the mockingbird who chirps a thousand songs outside my bedroom window every morning, as well as the toot of the trains as they rumble down the tracks. The swishing noises of cars zooming down 85 and 237 are as peaceful to me as crashing waves on a secluded beach.

If I didn't enjoy all that comprises the essence of Mountain View, I could instead have chosen to live in any number of other strip-mall ladden, ticky-tacky housing, dull suburban destinations in the area.

If you don't enjoy the vibrancy of our town, why persist in residing here (except for the opportunity to be a thorn in everyone's side). Those condos were built well AFTER the site of the proposed Stein's location, which has historically hosted indoor and outdoor dining, so there's no argument to be made that she didn't know what she was buying into.

I'm appalled that someone would move into MY neighborhood and then try to bend it to their will. This offends me. If you don't like it, move. We won't see the back of you soon enough.

Peter Gilli and Noah Downing, SHAME on you for kowtowing to the sentiments of a few non-representative members of our community over the wishes of all.

Now, is there a fund to which I can donate, to help cover the cost of Kim's appeal?