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Rail foes seek to bar further spending on project

Original post made on Sep 18, 2013

After scoring a victory in a Sacramento court last month, opponents of California's proposed high-speed rail system are now asking the judge to bar the agency responsible for the line from spending any money on the $68 billion project until a new business plan is in place.

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Posted by Mark
a resident of Shoreline West
on Sep 18, 2013 at 12:21 pm

NO to HIGH SPEED RAIL!!! NO to the UNDERGROUND TUNNELS that are to STEAL EVEN MORE water to irrigate land that the MASSIVELY HUGE agribusinesses ALREADY DESTROYED ONCE with their greed and irresponsible treatment of the environment. High Speed Rail between LA and SF via the San Joaquin Valley is another version of the theft of the Owens River for LA water users. The now useless and environmentally brutalized land in the San Joaquin Valley will become EXTREMELY VALUABLE since there will be not only high speed rail to quickly travel to-and-from the area, BUT ALSO, there will be PLENTY OF WATER TO WASTE thanks to the THEFT OF WATER from the Delta by the 2 proposed "tunnels" that IF they ARE built, will decimate and destroy much of the Delta as the incursion of saltwater will destroy freshwater ecosystems including plants and animals that live ONLY in freshwater ecosystems. NO to High Speed Rail! NO to the diversion of EVEN MORE water to irrigate land that the MASSIVELY HUGE agribusinesses ALREADY DESTROYED ONCE with their greed and irresponsible treatment of the environment.

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Posted by Old Steve
a resident of Rex Manor
on Sep 18, 2013 at 1:30 pm

Too many ALL CAPS. You do realize that if the Delta Levees were to fail tomorrow, the water supply of most of Silicon Valley could be impaired for at least several months. Please go tell all your neighbors to rip out their grass lawns and plant drought tolerant landscaping. Also tell your kids they should not expect to have lawn to play on in the parks or at their schools. Oh yeah, and tell our already limited high tech manufacturing capacity to please come back, after we fix the water supply.

Agribusiness certainly does not water efficiently by urban standards, but most agribusiness in the San Joaquin does grow FOOD. Should we eat less of fruits, nuts, and vegetables? Or should the people who can already barely afford fresh food plan on going without as prices rise. Remember, those who use Delta water would pay for the tunnels, and it turns out most of us use at least some Delta water. HSR is different money (or no money) than the Delta tunnels.

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Posted by @Mark
a resident of Monta Loma
on Sep 18, 2013 at 2:23 pm

Totally agree with you Mark!! Just more way to steal our money that are desperately needed by our schools and infrastructure.

They want to steal our water so that LA can grow more and if we need that excess water, then we will not have it. I'm not for it, using of course money that should be going to our schools and infrastructure. Oh but they will raise taxes even more in the name of the Students. It seems like the govt is a gang of wasteful spender, no wonder, Unions and liberals are in charge. Pretty soon they will want to raise the 2/3 majority of votes for property taxes in order to fund schools. If this happens, those that are already paying 5k for property taxes can see double that soon. And if you are a renter, your rent will go way up. And everyone is wondering why it's so expensive to live here. Until govt gets their spending under control, I will not support any of their ideas.

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Posted by @mark
a resident of Monta Loma
on Sep 18, 2013 at 2:25 pm

Whoops they want to lower the limit of taxes to 1/2 from 2/3 approval for the property taxes.

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Posted by Garrett
a resident of another community
on Sep 18, 2013 at 6:07 pm

As I said when I first voted for HSR, I told people it will get bogged down in the courts, the NIBMY's will come out and stop it. I was for the El Toro MCAS to become a airport, the runway at Oakland Airport, the SFO airport runway plan or Moffett Field being used as airport. Small planes only to free up space at San Jose.

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Posted by Bill Hough
a resident of another community
on Sep 19, 2013 at 10:40 am

It’s time to cancel the California high speed rail project and disband CHSRA. This is due to the ballooning project costs and continuing dishonesty on the part of the California High Speed Rail Authority. The latest revelation is that claims that high speed rail would create a million jobs have been proven false. The San Jose Mercury explains “The 1-million figure came from the project's technical studies. It actually was the number of "job years," a statistical term that counts years of work rather than actual jobs. One person working for five years adds up to five job years in this parlance.” The high speed rail project now being pushed by the Governor and the High Speed Rail Authority is not the same project that the voters approved in 2008. The Authority is guilty of pulling a “bait and switch” on taxpayers, who live in a state in deep denial of its financial problems.

It sounds nice, but I’m afraid that the whole state’s corrupt and nothing can stop Governor Moonbeam and CHSRA from forcing this project forward. We need to kill high speed rail project, which numerous impartial observers like the state auditor, the LAO and UC Berkeley's ITS have faulted. At the very least it needs to go back to voters because CHSRA is pulling a blatant "bait and switch.' The California High Speed Rail Authority is mismanaged and in bed with the consultants and unions.

Money wasted on high speed rail could be better spent on deficit reduction. We should be given another chance to vote on high speed rail because the project now under discussion is not the project voters approved in 2008. Even with Judge Kenny’s recent ruling that CHSRA did not follow the rules set out in the 2008 ballot proposition, Governor Moonbeam insists it is full speed ahead on high speed rail. What good is this ruling unless the judge orders the project stopped until it conforms to the promises to the voters.

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Posted by Rodger
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Sep 21, 2013 at 10:26 pm

I think the High Speed Rail project will cost a lot more than the current estimate of $70B or so, plus they make up the project as they go along but it of course does not meet what was promised when we all voted, I voted.
Jerry Brown is doing many good things for the state, I just think in this instance he is wrong to support High Speed Rail project, but I still support Jerry Brown.