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Speaking to Silicon Valley's wealthiest, presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg says democracy must be a value, not just a system

Original post made on Dec 17, 2019

With less than a year left until the general election, Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg outlined his vision for the nation on Monday that included one bold proposal: doing away with the Electoral College.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, December 16, 2019, 11:19 PM


Posted by Not Biden
a resident of Monta Loma
on Dec 17, 2019 at 1:25 am

Joe Biden took care of his deranged son Hunter and it will now cost him a chance at becoming President. The nomination of someone to face Trump will likely come down to Elizabeth Warren against a centrist - but not Buttigieg. There are about 3700 delegates headed for the Democratic National Convention in mid-July. About 700 will be office-holders who qualify as automatic super-delegates (not selected by any caucus or primary vote). The current rule is that super-delegates cannot vote on the first ballot at the Convention. It should be interesting. In the fall, Democrats will need to increase voter registration and turnout in swing states. Central to the effort will be college students. Republican, corporate and Russian subversives will attempt to suppress and even electronically switch votes. Ask yourself not what the Democratic candidates can do for you - but what you can do to oust Donald Trump before he destroys the country and surrenders the free world to Vladimir Putin.

Posted by It's the economy stupid
a resident of Bailey Park
on Dec 17, 2019 at 6:50 am

Put the bottle down, get off twitter and turn of cable news. Like it or not, Trump will be re-elected because the economy is soaring and we are all making a lot of money in the stock market.

Posted by Not Biden
a resident of Monta Loma
on Dec 17, 2019 at 8:16 am

What is the annual budget deficit under Trump? Trade deficit? National debt. Cost of borrowing? Wealth cap? Cost of health care and education? Morality deficit? Prison sentence for Trump's old buddy Jeffrey Epstein? Environmental degradation? Risk of attack from IS in Syria to North Korea to Iran? As long as the Democrats do not nominate another deeply flawed candidate and thoughtful citizens get off their butts and work on ousting Trump, it should be the end of con-jobs such as the last post from Bailey Park or the Krelim.

Posted by Traitors Among Us
a resident of Willowgate
on Dec 17, 2019 at 8:50 am

"economy is soaring"

Continuation of the Obama Recovery from the Bush Great Recession is all you care about?

As long as you make a few bucks, you don't care that a president is extorting a foreign government to interfere in American elections?!!

You forsake the US Constitution for a couple of bucks????? Putin and coin over America?!?

Please - take your 30 pieces of silver and go away.

Posted by Jake O.
a resident of Rengstorff Park
on Dec 17, 2019 at 2:40 pm

I saw the headline and knew I'd be entertained by triggered comments. TRUMP 2020!!!

Posted by Bruce Karney
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Dec 17, 2019 at 3:55 pm

Bruce Karney is a registered user.

The "bold proposal" to do away with the electoral college has been a policy position of the League of Women Voters at the national level for decades. There is an interesting effort to make that happen without a Constitutional Amendment -- see Web Link

But even if we do achieve direct popular election of the President and VP, we would still be left with the problem of gross under-representation of large state's voters in the Senate. I see no possibility of that problem being solved; the 13 smallest states would always be able to block it.

Posted by Not Biden
a resident of Monta Loma
on Dec 17, 2019 at 5:48 pm

There are wat bigger problems than having 2 of 100 Senate seats for California with about 13% of the population. We can whine or try to win in the states that are not going away. All Democrats need are 3 more Senate seats to control the Senate - with a Democrat Vice-President breaking any tie. But Democrats need to keep the House and evict the Trumps from the White House. Then, we will still have a trillion dollar annual deficit and problems all around the world with only Democrats in charge. But it will be far better than Trump and company.

Posted by Lots of Partisans here
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Dec 17, 2019 at 6:08 pm

Laws and the Constitution do not not matter to you. You have an anger issue driven by the fact that your party lost the last election and you are steering you hate against the current president.

You deny the facts,refuse to follow the rules, use the levers of the federal government to attack your political opponent, then you want to change the rules so that no other party can win the White House except yours. This is what the founding fathers warned us about, not any of the non-sense that is coming from Liar Shift, Nancy P, et al.

Liberal lawyer Alan Dershowitz scorched Democrats today for pushing two articles of impeachment that simply do not meet constitutional standards.

"Neither of these proposed articles satisfy the express constitutional criteria for an impeachment, which are limited to “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” Neither are high or low crimes or misdemeanors. Neither are mentioned within the Constitution.

Both are so vague and open ended that they could be applied in partisan fashion by a majority of the House against almost any president from the opposing party. Both are precisely what the Framers had rejected at their Constitutional Convention. Both raise the “greatest danger,” in the words of Alexander Hamilton, that the decision to impeach will be based on the “comparative strength of parties,” rather than on “innocence or guilt.”

That danger is now coming to pass, as House Democrats seek for the first time in American history to impeach a president without having at least some bipartisan support in Congress. Nor can they find any support in the words of the Constitution, or in the history of its adoption. A majority of the House is simply making it up as they go along in the process, thus placing themselves not only above the law but above the Constitution."

Posted by Partisans?
a resident of Martens-Carmelita
on Dec 17, 2019 at 6:33 pm

I'm not a member of either party, but the last election was in 2018 and was focused around reining in Trump and possibly impeaching him. The Democrats won that handily, with the Republicans suffering a historic collapse. At this point, it looks mostly to me like Republicans are simply denying the facts and circling the wagons around their leader, at the expense of our democracy and institutions.

Posted by @Partisans?
a resident of Martens-Carmelita
on Dec 17, 2019 at 10:48 pm

You sure sound like, to me, that you are a member of the D-Liberal party.

A.G Comey gave false info to his friend professor/attorney, to leak to the media to create an outrage with the public that Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election, which created the Mueller investigation, which was the intent of Comey leaking the false info.

2 1/2 years later Mueller says NO collusion with Trump and Russia.

Adam Shitt said he had the evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians, he LIED. Congress members have immunity so they can lie all they want and have no repercussions for their action.

The latest IG report showed 17 errors that the McCabe led, hand picked FBI agents who where assembled to target Trump and his campaign. They lied on the FISA report that they submitted to the judges, changed the CIA info that Carter Page had worked with them to get to an Russian agent in the past> Lied to the FISA court that the Steele info was verified when in fact it was not and they new it. Had they not done this the FISA court would have denied them the orders to do the electronic surveillance, and other spying tactics. This was the testimony by the I.G inspector.

The H.Clinton campaign/DNC funded the false Steele report, that fact was not reported to the FISA report.

Today the head judge of the FISA court was furious and ordered the DOJ to show them what they are going to do to fix this.

You now have an unknown whistle blower who made many claims, that is now proven false, but you have this impeachment going on because of a false whistle blower report, and it started the same way as when Comey leaked false info out thru his attorney-to the media to get the Mueller investigation started.

The Dem party has been spreading lie after lie to smear Trump and you wonder why people did not vote the Rep's back in? Problem for you guys on the left is, you know Trump is going to win re-election, your guys in congress have said it. That is why you are throwing the kitchen sink at him in hopes that the Impeachment will prevent him from winning again.

If you do not know the facts, you should stop spreading propaganda.

Posted by @Partisans?
a resident of Martens-Carmelita
on Dec 17, 2019 at 10:59 pm

Correction: I meant FBI Director Comey, not AG Comey.

Posted by It's the economy stupid
a resident of Bailey Park
on Dec 18, 2019 at 7:48 am

Lying to a FISA court to target a President is high treason and evidence of a deep state and the lengths the Dems will go to steal an election. Even the FISA court is demanding answers. But all I hear are crickets from the Dem side.

Posted by Let the truth be known
a resident of Monta Loma
on Dec 18, 2019 at 8:30 am

Notice how the commies above want nothing better than to mislead people. First of all it was not obama that our economy is soaring, but the tax tweaking Trump did. Second, Epstein was not Trumps buddy, but Clintons and Obamas. Third if you want America to look like CA then vote for Democrats and what the unions tell you to. Under the Dems we have Shit in our our city streets, from homeless people whose numbers are soaring. Thanks to the Liberals Cali is turning pure Commie one party rule that is slowly taxing good people and good companys out of our state and taking their good jobs with them. The libs wanted to turn America into a Commie nation, only problem Trump got in the way and they are furious as all hell. Why do you think they want to take away your guns? Back in 2016 the dems joined with the Commies of America and ever since they have been a party of hate and want nothing better than to distroy the American way.

Recall Newsome and Trump2020!!!

Posted by Traitors Among Us
a resident of Willowgate
on Dec 18, 2019 at 11:37 am

"it was not obama that our economy is soaring"

False. And note these fools all think the Dow is an economic indicator.

See any economic chart from 2000 or 2008 to today and it shows the poster is either ignorant or lying.

See the monthly jobs chart here: Web Link 2008- Sept 2019 the famous "bikini graph" extended beyond Bush/Obama.

Note the Bush Great Recession and the Obama Recovery. True, trump juiced the stock market with tax cuts for corporations and billionaires.

Trump's tax giveaway to billionaires barely affected jobs - see the jobs charts, Trump is clearly riding the Obama Recovery.

Notice the liars never substantiate their claims with facts or charts? They will never link to a chart showing 2000 to today.

More: GDP growth Bush Obama trump Web Link

Trump owes Obama for a good economy.

Posted by @Traitors Among Us
a resident of Willowgate
on Dec 18, 2019 at 2:36 pm

Obama, Robert Reich, and many other top economic/economy adviser said before the 2016 election that these jobs that Trump said will come back if he is elected, can never come back. Facts have proven them wrong.

Obama and his buddies said if Trump is elected the economy/stock market will crash, it did not crash it SOARED. Record unemployment and jobs for everyone, including minorities.

The stock market soared the day after the 2016 election. They forecast ed the economy 6 o 9 months out that it would grow like it did not under the Obama administration and they bet that the Trump administration would establish a pro/strong economy agenda. They where right.

Talking points from friend, are not facts. Your hatred towards Trump is distorting your views between facts and fiction.