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Developer calls Mountain View's vision for the North Bayshore Gateway site 'fatally flawed'

Original post made on Aug 19, 2021

A critical part of Mountain View's plans for transforming North Bayshore into an urban, mixed-use center may be in limbo, with one of the key developers calling the city's vision both financially infeasible and completely unrealistic.

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Posted by Eric C
a resident of Willowgate
on Aug 19, 2021 at 2:22 pm

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If a developer can't make a profit, why would they agree to build it?

Posted by smorr
a resident of Monta Loma
on Aug 19, 2021 at 2:30 pm

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With so many companies allowing or mandating that employees work remotely, and closing some of their office buildings, does it make sense to be planning to build more office space?

Posted by Raymond
a resident of Monta Loma
on Aug 19, 2021 at 2:43 pm

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15 stories on bay mud?
8-15' above present sea level?
How much open space for 3000 to 8000 people living there? Dimensions?

Posted by Dan Waylonis
a resident of Jackson Park
on Aug 19, 2021 at 4:55 pm

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Once again, meddling by the MV planning will derail developers from building. It’s really no wonder MV is so far behind in building housing. The city’s involvement should be to set zoning and height restrictions. That’s it.

Posted by J Cierra
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Aug 19, 2021 at 6:53 pm

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Really, SyWest? The plan that was not a problem in the past, but you want a change after so much time?

It will be interesting to see how much money or additional concessions SyWest will want by this intentional disruption.

Posted by Santa Rita Mom
a resident of The Crossings
on Aug 19, 2021 at 9:24 pm

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ANY further development of ANY kind should be halted until the city of Mountain View can come up with a PLAN to provide appropriate levels of service to the people we already have living here, let alone pumping in thousands more.

I would love answers from the city about why, if they knew this was the sort of development they want to allow, they agreed to sell water rights to East Palo Alto for a pittance. Now they want more people but no more water, fire service, police, schools or any other public services. Why should the people who already live here suffer further destruction to their quality of life because the city council sees dollar signs?

Not only that, they want to allow high-rise buildings, which are far less safe than those within the current limits. What happens when we have a fire in one of these monstrosities? Are we okay with not having the appropriate equipment to deal with the situation? Is there a PLAN for that? If so, what, exactly, is it and what will it cost? Will the taxes on the new construction pay for the new infrastructure or are all of us going to have to foot the bill?

We pay a lot of money for city services here but get precious little information in return. If the city has a plan, then it should be something more substantial than building on every square inch of dirt and taxing the daylights out of it.

Posted by JS
a resident of Rengstorff Park
on Aug 19, 2021 at 9:42 pm

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Just make the 30 acres filled with 80 story apartment buildings so we can meet half of the 11,000+ homes the state of Kalifornia wants Mountain View to build.

Posted by ivg
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Aug 20, 2021 at 9:35 am

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Yeah, the water crisis is awful. After driving out undesirable people, MV residents may have to let their lawns die.

Posted by quixos
a resident of Bailey Park
on Aug 20, 2021 at 6:18 pm

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Where do I begin? This was such a REALLY BAD idea from it's initial proposal, by a town counsel gone all-in on build-build-build. (By the way, many of the current council members also ACTUALLY seriously considered building a TRAM to go from the east side to this so called "Destination Development." It never made sense, it was always antithetical to the vibe of this area, and was (and I guess, still is) a very scary prospect for those of us who have been here a while. I was riding around on my bike today, and there are literally MILLIONS of square feet of unoccupied office buildings in this town, and I also suspect, many many vacancies in high end and apartments. And by the way, we have a very likely and unrelenting persistent drought due to global warming that is going to very soon make WATER a big deal. We need to elect a new counsel that are no longer the lapdogs of Google et al and developers, and start to get real. This town is still a wonderful place to live, but due to the less than brilliant planners and counsel folks, the egg laying goose will soon stop laying. Fie on this project! It should be buried for good, and Google's idea of a "Google Village" should be nixed.

Posted by Bernie Brightman
a resident of Whisman Station
on Aug 21, 2021 at 10:30 pm

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Ever notice how on the news they're always talking abour Russian oligarchs this and oligarchs that? How come you never hear them say "American oligarchs"? Because that's what's going on here. Oligarchs squabbling. No telling what will come out of it, but one thing you can be sure of: we, the every day joe is going to be screwed over while these fat cats reap billions on our land, our water, our air, our sight lines.
Kill the rich.

Posted by Randy Guelph
a resident of Cuernavaca
on Aug 22, 2021 at 9:47 am

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Mr. Brightman, I don't think your proposed solution in the last sentence of your post would work out very well for all the millionaire homeowners in Mountain View.

Posted by Jeremy Hoffman
a resident of Rengstorff Park
on Aug 22, 2021 at 2:19 pm

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Mountain View Fire Station No. 5 at Shoreline and Crittenden is literally less than a mile from the proposed development. I'm baffled that anyone thinks fire safety in 8 story buildings is an unsolved problem in America in 2021.

Posted by Jeremy Hoffman
a resident of Rengstorff Park
on Aug 22, 2021 at 2:33 pm

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We've got the opportunity to build something really exciting and successful that serves a lot of our neighbors, but I'm struggling to stay optimistic after years of this. I hope Mountain View isn't killing the golden goose with years of plan revisions and design reviews and haggling over community benefits and inclusionary subsidized units. Like, for that last, I fully support BMR housing, but it'd be better for Mountain View renters to have, say, 10% of 10,000 (1000 new subsidized homes, plus 9000 market rate), than 20% of zero (0 new subsidized homes, plus 0 market rate).

To those that have been working so hard on this project for a decade-plus -- I'm rooting for you, keep up the good work!

Posted by Steven Nelson
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Aug 22, 2021 at 3:35 pm

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Do you think All residential property owners North of Central Expressway (the tracks) should pay for the new schools needed?

THAT is exactly what the MVWSD consultants have proposed to the Board. And the Board - at the last meeting seemed to not have much complaint about THAT.
To me, and my Tax Fairness mind - that is incredible! - Google and other OFFICE SPACE OWNERS (and this development of offices) will not pay a single cent of new taxes (the Proposal) to support new schools.

Your vote (if registered) for MVWSD Board members, your Voice, and your comment (to [email protected]). If you live and vote in the Proposal's new tax district boundaries (not finalized)- you might give your Trustees your opinion.

BTW - there are other ways to raise local tax money for new schools. Many other ways!

Posted by Steven Nelson
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Aug 22, 2021 at 4:08 pm

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@Jeremy H. Yes - in MV we have a looooong ladder fire truck that can reach up as necessary to the 10 story residential building "Avalon Towers" on El Camino very near to Whole Foods and Walmart. And we have a continuing agreement with Palo Alto to share their (newer) looooong ladder fire truck that can do the same job.

Posted by SRB
a resident of St. Francis Acres
on Aug 22, 2021 at 5:05 pm

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@Steven Nelson, are you referring to MVWSD exploring a Mello-Roos Tax District? Hopefully the Voice will cover this.

Re: this article, not sure why the City is being blamed. Sounds more like a custody battle between two corporations; each pushing for a better share.