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Like many local households, the Reyes family is faced with dwindling options to continue living in Mountain View.

Last month, the family of four lost their Ortega Avenue apartment, where they had lived for 10 years, after their property owner increased their rent by 35 percent. Jose Reyes said his job at a Palo Alto restaurant didn’t provide enough income to keep living there, but he was equally worried about moving to a cheaper area. His family had planted roots in Mountain View, and his 10-year-old daughter was starting a new year at Castro Elementary School.

So the family got the best deal they could find on an RV, packed up their belongings and for the last three weeks have been living out on the street. Eventually, the Reyes family hopes to find a permanent home, but until they do, they are making this lifestyle work, he said.

And they aren’t alone. On a recent visit, the Reyes mobile home was one of about 13 RVs and trailers camped out near the back lot of a Target store. The spot is one of several encampments in Mountain View that have apparently grown in recent weeks as a byproduct of the local housing crunch.

People living in their RVs throughout the city has become a more visible issue, according to Sgt. Saul Jaeger of the Mountain View Police Department. While Jaeger didn’t have exact numbers on the number of RVs parked in the city or number of complaints filed about them, he said the recent congregations of RVs in residential areas have caused an uptick in public concern.

The cause isn’t totally clear, but there could be some contributing factors. Some areas of the city have recently barred overnight parking, Jaeger said, and a combination of construction and new developments in the city could have squeezed the RVs into these more visible locales. But it could be simply a socio-economic issue, as rents continue to push out residents and cause a split between the haves and the have-nots, Jaeger said.

Besides the stretch of Latham Street between Escuela Avenue and Showers Drive, lines of RVs have cropped up along Crisanto Avenue near Rengstorff Park, as well as around the Americana Apartments near the Sunnyvale border. At a community meeting last week, Mountain View police Chief Max Bosel told residents that the department has also fielded complaints about RVs parked near the Grant Park Plaza. These clusters of RVs do create a significant quality of life issue in the city, he said.

“It’s a challenging issue (and) it’s becoming more prevalent,” Bosel said.

Neighborhood concerns

The Latham Street encampment is right in front of the Avalon Towers, where a one-bedroom apartment rents for about $3,000 a month. Residents say they are sympathetic to people down on their luck; however, they say having people essentially live on the street is fast becoming a source of noise, garbage and safety problems for the area.

About a year ago, there might be one or two trailers parked on the side of the road, but nothing like this, said Ellespeth Ingham, a nearby resident who posted an open letter to the City Council complaining about the issue. RV-dwellers have been dumping trash as well as other waste along the curbs, she said, adding that she no longer feels safe walking alone in the area.

“I’m not a city planner: I don’t know what these people are supposed to do, but I know they’re not supposed to be here,” she said. “This is not a suitable shelter.”

In 2013, the city of Palo Alto responded to similar complaints by passing a ban on sleeping in vehicles overnight. Its city council overturned the ban in November 2014, in part because a similar ban enacted in Los Angeles was overturned by the the U.S. Court of Appeals in the Ninth Circuit.

RV and trailer owners have relatively few options in this area for sanctioned campgrounds with hookups. Earlier this year, Mountain View officials approved plans to shut down a 30-space RV park off Fairchild Drive that will be rebuilt into new row houses that are expected to sell for $900,000 apiece.

Reyes said he tried to get a spot at RV camps in Redwood City and Sunnyvale — the latter one had a list of 100 people waiting for an opening.

People living in the RV encampments say police come by regularly, but officers haven’t forced anyone to leave the area. Police have reportedly warned RV-dwellers they need to relocate every 72 hours, per the city’s parking rules. Residents say occasionally a camper trailer will get impounded and towed away, but that was reportedly due to expired registration tags.

Jaeger said that police cannot come in and forcibly remove RVs from the area, but they can enforce existing city laws. The vehicles have to be moved at least one-tenth of a mile every 72 hours, which police are actively enforcing, and residents in the RVs cannot dump their sewage into the street, obstruct sidewalks, leave empty bottles or urinate in public. And for the most part, the newcomers to these Mountain View neighborhoods are abiding by all the laws. They move their vehicles, they keep the area clean and they aren’t getting into fights, he said.

“But there are also people that are drinking and fighting and littering and urinating in public. That’s what’s garnering the attention,” Jaeger said.

Like others living on the street, Mark, who declined to give his last name, said he would gladly rent an apartment in the area, if he could just afford it. The 55-year-old has been living in his trailer for about four months. He tried living at homeless shelters, but he disliked being lumped together with people in the throes of substance abuse or who could have criminal backgrounds. Plus, most shelters didn’t allow him to bring along Tasha, his 3-year-old mini Doberman who peeked her head out of the trailer.

“You have no idea how quickly you can be out on the street. It could be sickness, divorce, bankruptcy or anything,” he told the Voice. “I’ve been working as long as I can remember, and there’s nowhere to live on my budget.”

Mark described himself as someone stitching his life back together following a rough divorce and other struggles. Minus the space, his trailer was outfitted with most the trappings of home: a small bathroom, refrigerator, bunk bed and a burner for cooking meals. He holds down a janitorial job and tries to keep a low profile about his living situation, he said.

Temporary solutions?

City Council member Lenny Siegel told the Voice that it’s a difficult situation, and that the city needs to find a solution that will meet the needs of both neighborhood residents as well as the people living in trailers.

“I’m torn. Most of us would not want this in front of our house, whether we live in an apartment or a single-family home, but these people need a place to live,” Siegel said.

Calling it one possible solution, Siegel suggested at the community meeting that the city could establish a temporary RV park in the vacant parking lots outside of Shoreline Amphitheatre during the winter months. That way, the trailers would be out of the way of Mountain View neighborhood residents, and people living in the RVs wouldn’t have to keep moving their vehicles every three days. A nonprofit or a company like Kampgrounds of America could come in and manage the park, Siegel said, offering services like bathrooms to the temporary residents.

Siegel stressed that this would be a temporary solution while the city figures out a long-term strategy.

Santa Clara County officials appear to be on the same page as Siegel. Last month, the county Board of Supervisors approved a comprehensive list of homeless housing initiatives, including pilot “safe parking” programs. Ky Le, the county’s director of the Office of Supportive Housing, said the program would give people living in their vehicles a safe place to rest overnight, and would provide security and access to basic services like showers and restrooms. He said it should have a “relatively minimal” impact on nearby businesses and residents.

In September, Le told the Voice that the city of San Jose had identified a city-owned parking lot to become one of these homeless parking locations, and that the county could pitch in funds to get things up and running. The county’s Housing Task Force recommended that the Board of Supervisors establish at least one safe parking location in North County, but it’s not clear where it will be located.

It’s also not clear to city officials exactly who is choosing to live in trailers in Mountain View. Siegel said he assumes all of them are employed, or else they would have no reason to reside in the city, but he was unsure if all of them are homeless. He said they could have homes in far away areas like Modesto and are just staying in RVs when they’re here to work. Earlier this week, a story about a Google employee who was living out of a box truck rather than pay for housing generated wide attention.

“Many of them are probably similar to the people we’ve been hearing in City Council meetings (affected by) rents going up,” Siegel said.

Whatever the solution may be, Sgt. Jaeger stressed that the RVs are not just a police issue, and that both sides need to weigh in if the city takes action.

“This requires input from a lot of stakeholders and the community, and that includes the people who live in their vehicles and the people who live in these areas,” Jaeger said.

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Kevin Forestieri is a previous editor of Mountain View Voice, working at the company from 2014 to 2025. Kevin has covered local and regional stories on housing, education and health care, including extensive...

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  1. @MV Voice – Kudos, Great article

    I’m curious about this :

    “Some areas of the city have recently barred overnight parking”

    I’ve noticed such signs popping up but mostly in non residential areas.
    What’s the process? Who triggers it? Who decides? and who pays for the signs?

  2. I think it will be great if city can look into controlling the price hike of apartments and houses. Something has to be done to make housing affordable for majority of our community.

  3. Shoreline is an important habitat for burrowing owls, and winter is critical part of their mating/nurturing season:

    http://burrowingowlconservation.org/

    Burrowing owls don’t have a choice about their habitat — RV people (and all the pets they have) can live anywhere.

    Don’t ruin our burrowing owl habitat with homeless people/animals.

  4. One could clearly see the stress on Mr. Reyes’s face.
    Take note Mountain View City Officials. You let the people down. In support of gouging landlords. You care more about your manicured dog parks then the residents.

    You support the anything Google, yet turn on residents.

  5. RE: NHN Housing Program & Housing Networks (Private Rental Market) &
    Basic Needs Programs…

    Dear Friends and those who need extra help,

    Neighbors Helping Neighbors has programs to assist many middle income
    renters, home owners and small business owners who may not qualify for traditional social services. We also, we serve some low income and displaced households too. All programs and services are free.

    Here are some of our features, tools and materials for the “private rental market” searches.

    Relocation Packet – Blank Rental Application / Credit Bureau / Proof of Income / Cover letter to Landlords
    ~~ Relocation Supplies – Moving Boxes & resources for relocations
    ~~ Listings Alerts 2015 – Weekly rental listings for Shared Housing & or 1-2-3 Bedroom are sent via email ONLY to renters on our Housing Network rosters. 

    ~~ Housing Q & A – NHN Housing Consultants answer FAQS.

    ~~ Landlord Tenant Issues – Assistance w/letter writing, negotiations and more.
    ~~ Attorney & Legal Program Referrals
    ~~ Roommate Matches – Based on personal & rental profiles, people are paired up with other renters for housing searches.

    Rental Assistance/Application Fee Assistance/Utility Assistance – on a case by case basis applicants are considered for financial assistance with rent, ‘first & last rent plus deposits. And financial assistance with paying application fees or utility bills. We do not have a one-time only requirement for applying.

    If you feel someone else can benefit from NHN Programs please have them contact us directly.

    Basic Needs Programs includes peer counseling and case management. NHN has no income requirements. All those who wish to enroll in our programs or seek guidance, must complete program forms.
    Contact, NHN.FamilyAmbassador@gmail.com

    Community Outreach Events – New clients can schedule a 30 min appt with counselors to discuss their life’s challenges, get resources and guidance. Everyone approved for NHN Programs is required to schedule minimum two ‘in person’ appointment w/Peer Counselor or Case Manager, annually. These events provide an opportunity to update forms and documents. As well as discuss current circumstances and receive resources. Fall series; Thursdays, Palo Alto, Nov.5th. Saturday, 11/07.

    ~ NHN Relocation Packet
    Going Prepared to Rental Appointments – Purpose and obtaining best possible best outcomes.
    ~ Housing Q & A (30 MIN at the end of presentation)

    NHN has a belief that everyone desires suitable and affordable housing in this historically unprecedented crisis in “private rental markets”. We must work more efficiently, smarter and go prepared. It isn’t enough for a renter to do an online search, drive by or posted messages to find a suitable place to live without assistance from an experienced team.

    Please note that we do have a Home Sharing Program (Room Rentals, House Sitting, Host-Guest) this program is primarily for landlords renting rooms, folks who need house sitters and those who welcome guests into their homes for low and no cost. NHN has developed an impressive database of landlords. We will send out a separate announcement with details of this program.

    – 
    Joanne, NHN Houising Coordinator
    NHN.HousingProgram@gmail.com
    Phone: 650-283-0270 (no texting please)

  6. RE: NHN Housing Program & Housing Networks (Private Rental Market) &
    Basic Needs Programs…

    Dear Friends and those who need extra help,

    Neighbors Helping Neighbors has programs to assist many middle income
    renters, home owners and small business owners who may not qualify for traditional social services. We also, we serve some low income and displaced households too. All programs and services are free.

    Here are some of our features, tools and materials for the “private rental market” searches.

    Relocation Packet – Blank Rental Application / Credit Bureau / Proof of Income / Cover letter to Landlords
    ~~ Relocation Supplies – Moving Boxes & resources for relocations
    ~~ Listings Alerts 2015 – Weekly rental listings for Shared Housing & or 1-2-3 Bedroom are sent via email ONLY to renters on our Housing Network rosters.

    ~~ Housing Q & A – NHN Housing Consultants answer FAQS.

    ~~ Landlord Tenant Issues – Assistance w/letter writing, negotiations and more.
    ~~ Attorney & Legal Program Referrals
    ~~ Roommate Matches – Based on personal & rental profiles, people are paired up with other renters for housing searches.

    Rental Assistance/Application Fee Assistance/Utility Assistance – on a case by case basis applicants are considered for financial assistance with rent, ‘first & last rent plus deposits. And financial assistance with paying application fees or utility bills. We do not have a one-time only requirement for applying.

    If you feel someone else can benefit from NHN Programs please have them contact us directly.

    Basic Needs Programs includes peer counseling and case management. NHN has no income requirements. All those who wish to enroll in our programs or seek guidance, must complete program forms.
    Contact, NHN.FamilyAmbassador@gmail.com

    Community Outreach Events – New clients can schedule a 30 min appt with counselors to discuss their life’s challenges, get resources and guidance. Everyone approved for NHN Programs is required to schedule minimum two ‘in person’ appointment w/Peer Counselor or Case Manager, annually. These events provide an opportunity to update forms and documents. As well as discuss current circumstances and receive resources. Fall series; Thursdays, Palo Alto, Nov.5th. Saturday, 11/07.

    ~ NHN Relocation Packet
    Going Prepared to Rental Appointments – Purpose and obtaining best possible best outcomes.
    ~ Housing Q & A (30 MIN at the end of presentation)

    NHN has a belief that everyone desires suitable and affordable housing in this historically unprecedented crisis in “private rental markets”. We must work more efficiently, smarter and go prepared. It isn’t enough for a renter to do an online search, drive by or posted messages to find a suitable place to live without assistance from an experienced team.

    Please note that we do have a Home Sharing Program (Room Rentals, House Sitting, Host-Guest) this program is primarily for landlords renting rooms, folks who need house sitters and those who welcome guests into their homes for low and no cost. NHN has developed an impressive database of landlords. We will send out a separate announcement with details of this program.

    —
    Joanne, NHN Houising Coordinator
    NHN.HousingProgram@gmail.com
    Phone: 650-283-0270 (no texting please)

  7. This is a vexing problem, and part of my Sylvan Park neighborhood sees it with permanent parking places for RVs next to American Apartments. It does not seem fair to the people who bought the homes to have someone living across the street without paying for it, but the problem of having too little money for those expensive homes isn’t lost on me, either.

    If we are to open any area as the official place for people to park, it seems like it would be easy to have this become the permanent solution; if there were an alternative permanent solution, someone might have found it already. .
    • A temporary lot could never be large enough
    • To be fair, what about those people who don’t have enough money to buy an RV? If we open something like Shoreline Amphitheatre’s parking lot for RVs, doesn’t that disadvantage homeless people who can afford only a tent? Shouldn’t anybody be allowed to stay there?
    • And for someone like that Google engineer who wants to save money and is just making a lifestyle choice, is it fair to have him stay there, using a space that someone with less money needs?

    I don’t have any answers to the high cost of housing. And I don’t have anyone to blame for it either — if you sell your house at a high price, very few people can afford it and it makes Mountain View expensive. This has been true in Manhattan for longer than here: you need to be wealthy to have a place to live, and rent control there works only for the lucky few who got the controlled apartment, so some people live very far away or share an apartment.

    A vexing problem, indeed. But temporary lots won’t help.

  8. RV Living:
    I’ve been “on the streets” in PA and MV off and on for 8 years. I’m a 67yo male. I was born at PA/Stanford Hospital those many years ago. I went through the grades in PA. I’ve 27 years working high tech on the peninsula. This has always been my home.
    I am a massage therapist now. I have my own office space in MV and that is about all I can afford. I have good months for income but it just isn’t consistent. Every couple of weeks I pull my 5th Wheel up to Trailer Villa in Redwood City to dump my tanks and get fresh water. There is no place to do that in PA or MV.
    It would be nice to have a space – a flat space – to park my RV. Parking on the streets with a 4″ drop by the curb makes for very uncomfortable seating and sleeping. And getting passed by VTA at 35 mpg rocks the boat significantly.
    I hope that my income becomes more steady and enough to rent a room in a house with a backyard, put my RV into storage or sell it.

  9. Fresh and easy is closings. People in this neighborhood understand, especially Rengstorff neighbors. Maybe a temporary place to park there when it closes also, I hear fighting, hear and see transactions, have seen people urinating in bush in front of apt, and that is not even from RV dwellers, just people living in small space or no place to live.

  10. Residents should not have to put-up with campers in front of their property because there is fecal matter, debris, crime, etc. (let’s not fool ourselves).

    The humane solution is to open Shoreline with facilities (bathrooms, showers, and dumpsters) to accommodate campers and only for a set period of time of say 6 months. Anything longer means people are taking advantage of the system.

    Former Mayor Inks has the right perspective whereas Siegel and Showalter are using the plight of a few to incrementally install socialism.

  11. Nobody has the RIGHT to live in one of the most expensive towns in the USA. The rest of us pay through the nose to live here, and if you can’t afford it, there are plenty of nearby cities where the cost of living is substantially lower.

    It’s entitled people like Mr. Reyes who make me want to hold my nose and vote for Donald Trump.

  12. i always thought rents could only be bumped up by 3%. lower high tech wages, bring up wages for blue collar and lower rents by 2000 less a month. any land owner who does not comply, 20 years san quentin.

  13. Things like the safe vehicle parking area sound like an obvious action to take. Will it and it’s residents be permanent? Will the vehicles themselves be safe for the residents and on the road? Will this attract like vehicle dwellers from elsewhere? And how will it be funded over time?

  14. While working at Hope’s corner (a saturday am breakfast and lunch program at Trinity Methodist church 1 block from city hall) for almost 4 years i have met many of the car and rv dwellers in mountain view. Many are families who have sifted down due to rising rents and low wages or lost jobs. Many have been long term city residents and want to stay because this is their home, where friends and family are and because they want their children in a safe city with good schools. They would rather live as they are doing than move elsewhere. Some are single individuals without a job or family who may live on social security, social security disability or supplement from the county. When we surveyed those who attend our breakfast the vast majority are local, some from elsewhere in california and just a few from elsewhere in the country. Some have college degrees or tech skills but after the great recession and lost jobs cannot get back on their feet.

    Just where are they supposed to go?? The city of palo alto tried to run they out of town but their ordinance prohibiting vehicle habitation was withdrawn. the city of santa barbara has had a safe and secure parking program for many years with most residents eventually reentering society.

    The county homelessness task force is starting to address the problems – with more motels and shelters and possibly safe parking areas and campsites.

    Nearby neighbors have understandable concerns.

    The police seem to be behaving cautiously, perhaps understanding from past experience that impounding a vehicle is a sure way to make people have to sleep on the ground.

    We brought this to the attention of the city council several years ago
    but there has been no action. This is huge disappointment and an embarrassment in the heart of silicon valley. No champion on the council has stepped forward.

    For now i believe these rv and car dwellers would be wise to park on El Camino as advised years go through our police department that Caltrans has jurisdiction there and does not keep tabs on vehicle dwellers

    That they are having to live in vehicles in the heart of one of the richest areas in the world says something about our system and our values

  15. Just walking home from Target and saw a couple – OUTSIDE one of these RV’s – lounging on their twin mattress. They waved and smirked as we walked by. WTH!? Please, MVPD and our city council and our mayor – help out your tax paying citizens, too!!! Enough is enough!

  16. I believe most of the RV dwellers are people who have been out priced in the skyrocketing rental market. One of these families is my brother in law who lost his apartment on Rengstorff several years ago due to rent increases, and has moved his family from motel, to other family member homes, and now to the RV. It’s a terribly sad situation and people are doing their best to survive day to day.

  17. @Leencol
    I hope your brother in law finds a job and lodging in an area he can afford. Or, rather than living on the street, perhaps he could move in with you?

  18. I too made a honest living in mountain view for 10 years, my daughter went to Landels my wife worked in Los altos and I worked 50 hours a week in MV. Our story is very familiar, we lived at hidden gardens in 2004 rent was 950 then we went to Sunnyvale boarder to bigger place rent was 1300 then back to mountain view for school, brook side …on sylvan best place ever rent was 1600 then 2000 then 2400 so moved again to Avalon near Caltrain crappy apartments rent was 2200 …that’s it!!!! Now I live in San Diego we all miss the Bay Area , mountain view was our cubby and loved it. Now I we pay 1200 and have beautiful place and love it… People, attention people!!!!!!!! You can move!!!!! Duh

  19. I’ve been living out of my car since the beginning of this month. I can’t believe this much time has passed. I feel it’s only been a few days I’ve been doing this. (Yet, for some reason, I pretty much have no memory at all of ever living in a house. It’s inexplicable, but I feel upset when I see my ex-house in my mind. Why?)

    Initially when I was getting close to final eviction, I was scared of a couple things about car-living:
    1) The police would be mad at me
    2) Some thugs would rob and kill me, or beat me up

    Now I don’t really worry about that. No one has broken into my car. Also, I don’t even think the police know I’m sleeping in there.

    One time though, a car hit me pretty hard. That hurt! The driver probably didn’t even know someone was sleeping in it. I think the driver was drunk, cuz that particular night, I was sleeping in front of a bar.

    Once my co-workers found out, some of them admitted that they too sleep in their cars occasionally. This is because the rent costs are so high now, they are already in “untraditional” types of living arrangements:

    One lost his place, and recently spent 3 months outside until he saved up enough to live under a house-roof again.

    Another got too tired to go home between shifts.

    Then another can’t pay much rent. At the place he now lives, he has an early “curfew.” Once he misses it, he has to sleep outside.

    Recently, I heard some other associates mention that they knew a girl who just went through a hard time at home. She sleeps outside now too. But she’s going to the military soon, so she’ll have a place to sleep at night. Right now, she’s training – it seems she wants to be in the best shape possible to serve our country. I hope she is safe until she goes to the military. (Wow, that is weird to say, “I hope you’re safe until you go into the military”).

    Really, this whole picture is turning into an apocalyptic sci-fi horror anime context. But it’s real life, right under the nose of the wealthiest people in the world.

    If I were the Mark Zuckerberg or Larry Page-type, I could imagine feeling unsympathetic toward the men on the street. I could think:
    They’re homeless because they didn’t study hard in school,
    They’re alcoholic or drug addicts,
    Mentally ill,
    They’re criminals,
    They blog too much on the Voice.

    But kids having to grow up on “the streets of Silicon Valley”? Do you know what that does to their psyche? Wouldn’t that long term stress cause serious mental and health damages? Living on the street is a very slippery slope to other more severe trauma.

    For me, the aspect I hate most to living in my car is waking up repeatedly from the cold. Right now I don’t have any savings. In fact, I’m in debt.

    Once my debts are paid off, I will save for a better and maybe larger vehicle. My car has been at the repair place repeatedly – I still can’t get the trunk to stay closed. It opens itself while I commute between jobs.

    So I think when I get a bigger vehicle, I’ll have more room for more blankets. Then I won’t be so cold anymore.

    HOWEVER, ONE ASPECT THAT HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD about living on the streets is:
    1) Not having room for food in the car
    2) Not having a refrigerator

    Last night, I was wondering why I felt so sluggish. I realized I had not eaten all day.

    This morning when I looked in the mirror at work, I could see I was getting visibly thinner. Sometimes, I get so hungry that I dig around my backpack or car for any piece of candy, etc.

    Even just a week after losing the house, I lost 5 pounds.

    I suppose when I had a home, the refrigerator was irresistible to me. I had 4 jobs that could work me from 4 am to 10:30 pm (not counting time to get ready and the commute). So at night it felt so good and necessary to eat.

    Now when I get hunger pains, I look around the workplace for food. If I can’t find any, the pains go away within minutes, or even hours at the longest. But sooner or later, my focus goes somewhere else.

    I know there are foodbanks where I can get food, but now writing this, I realize it is good I don’t have time to pick up food there. I believe the stress from homelessness would compel me to eat even more than when I had a house. And the cortisol would make me balloon.

    For years I’ve admired the look of being fit.

    If I don’t die or go crazy from lack of sleep, suffocating in my car, or getting killed when a car hits me while I’m sleeping (you won’t believe how fast the fancy SUV’s zoom past me at 2am)… I’m going to look really good. I’m really looking forward to that.

    I should exercise too. But when I’ve lost a lot of fat, even a little exercise will make me look really tone – I think.

    !!!

    Someone out there… Please organize and do more for the children. Silicon Valley is all about improving lives. We can’t let kids grow up homeless in SV. It sounds… it’s not acceptable.

    I’ve posted before. And I feel I get many responses that are really saying, “You are dumb because you don’t move away.” Or, “You’re dumb because you waste time commenting instead of making more money.”

    That’s fine. I’m dumb dumb dumb and I deserve to be homeless.

    But not the kids, man. When there are families living on the street, there needs to be immediate and extreme action.

    Streets of gold.

    Streets of silicon.

  20. Thanks for the NHN info. I just left another vm for you. I think you tried calling me a week ago, but I was at work and couldn’t pick up.

    Your email does include the “NHN” right? I sent an email about an hour ago.

    I can text msgs. And I sent another email too.

    It’s not life or death matters – but I had questions about food and possible electricity.

    Thanks for helping people !

  21. @bjd

    I work in various fields.

    Do you have connections for me to get a job that pays enough I can finance a property?

    I also have ideas that could generate a lot of money / business. And help the community. But they require both time and energy that would force a reduction in my hourly paid work. I don’t have the resources where I can take a risk like that.

    Even though it’s mentally and physically painful (even worse with having to sleep on the street) to work so many hours a day, I feel obligated to continue this pace of work because I have momentum.

  22. I’ve said this before: Hawaii has been looking at shipping containers for a temporary solution for the homeless.

    http://khon2.com/2014/09/22/could-shipping-containers-be-recycled-as-shelters-for-homeless/

    Note the cost.

    However, the problem is RV parking. If the RV is like mine, 72 hours was the limit of my holding tanks before they must be emptied. Yes, we stayed in Mountain View at my parent’s house. We moved to a RV spot in South San Francisco to go play tourist. That RV site cost TWICE as much as the other RV parks in the West. $35/night 25 years ago. Fortunately, we could dump our holding tanks and fill our water tank.

    Most RVs will have everything you need for living. A shower and a toilet, a heater and a stove a refrigerator and a sink. Both 110vac and 12vdc wiring and some carry generators for 110vac when not at a RV park or on the road.
    They ARE certified for HOUSING.

    So now you need sites similar to mobile home parks. Supplying 110vac 25 to 50 amp service, water and sewage hookups. Or a dump station and potable water fill up to fill water tanks and rinse out the holding tanks after you dump them..

    So the real quick solution is to provide a local dump station link to the sewage lines, potable water and trash facilities. That takes care of the 72 hour parking limit and getting people to keep a happier relationship with their ( hopefully ) temporary neighbors.

    This does NOT apply to people living out of cars or vans. You need sanitary facilities like showers and restrooms. A KOA kampground will provide them for a fee along with a laundromat.

    I hope my experience with my RV parking in places all over the West will generate more solutions to the RV ” housing ” in Mountain View.

  23. The Voice seems to lose the first post in the Town Square section.

    I’ll keep things short:

    Build a dump station with potable water. Tell every RV user where it is. For people living out of cars and vans, a KOA Kampground site will provide a shower, toilet and laundromat facilities. With a fee.

  24. @ the_punnisher

    It could be years before I can get an RV. And maybe by that time, I’ll have left BA.

    But I was curious –

    If I got an RV, how much gas would it take to keep a generator running to provide heat?

    Maybe it’ll make too much noise.

    What if I use a propane heater? But is that safe?

  25. What happened to the comments by “Sepel”? I’m curious why that was deleted? MV Voice, are you censoring comments? Understood if they’re offensive but “Sepel”‘s weren’t. And it it’s because they were untrue (which is actually what I am very interested in, were they true and if so there’s a bigger story here) then you should post a denial, not just delete?

  26. My RV was a self contained 23′ Dodge 1977 Musket built on the Peninsula! My parents bought it used to haul the race car to Calistoga and points South. I bought it from them after the trailer started to pass it when the ” borrower ” did not tighten the ball hitch properly and the trailer took a chunk out of the side. I repaired it, resided it and got all the insides operational again.

    The heater was an LP job that ran on two LP bottles of the slightly larger that the backyard barbecue type. It would last about 2 weeks or so if used in a mild climate. Yes, it was wired to a thermostat.
    The refrigerator was a three way type: 110ac, 12v or LP gas. The stool and shower combo had a LP gas water heater that also sent water to the sink. The stove also ran off the LP tank. It had an oven too.
    The water tank was around 50 gallons. Both Gray water and Black water tanks could only hold around 35 gallons and had separate dump valves with a common outlet.

    From a legal standpoint, it had a set of special stickers that notified others that it WAS LEGAL HOUSING in the U.S. I went all over the Midwest on IT and Robotics job sites, including a 3 month stay at a job site in Texas.
    I had to let it go when the engine burnt away several exhaust valves and needed an overhaul.
    12 miles/gallon. up or down a mountain. Same on the open road. 36 gallon gas tank. locks with one key. A deadbolt on the one housing door. 4 person capacity for sleeping. Used working ones for sale in CO Craigslist for around $3500-$4000. Still plenty of RV parks or permanent/semi-permanent spots. I see them all the time with out of state plates during the summer. Or moving here towing a ” dinghy ( a car ) with all the household belongings in it. A 1000 miles East on I-80 and 100 miles South on I-25 gets you to Denver. Rush hour on I-25 is like rush hour on 101 twenty years ago. Avoid 7:30 AM to 9:30 and 3:30 P.M. to 6:00 P.M. on Weekdays and forget it on any Sunday the Broncos are playing.

  27. @ the_punnisher

    What’s “self contained”? And “LP job” ?

    When you heated it, was it just localized, or did it heat the entire 23 feet RV?

    Thanks

  28. I WANTED to stay in Mountain View. but I saw where prices were going and only came back for therapy and medical help from Stanford Hospital.
    Now I still stay interested in doings in MV and PA from the safety of our house in the mountains of CO. I’ve watched the changes, like ” Dog City ” and the loss of my High School( class of 1973 ).

    You have some ” mean streets ” now. No compassion from City Hall. Mammon is now the God that rules your City. That is obvious to one that has lived there for many years and things are worse every time I visit.

    I’ll tell you an example of your difference:

    Just out of the downtown of Chippewa Falls, WI, there is a FREE RV dump station and fresh Chippewa Springs Water to fill up your water tank!
    Open anytime! Now compare that to the FEE BASED system the SFBA has for EVERYTHING. So how about changing the rules instead of handcuffing everyone ( and City Hall ) against the fearful word CHANGE.

    One lousy dump station with potable water; even with union construction, it will only take ONE WEEK to create one! A Hint: even some highway ” rest areas ” have free RV dump stations ( but do not allow you to park there overnight ).

    Another ” not so ” secret: Walmart ALLOWS RV PARKING IN THEIR LOTS! only when anyone like a town council FORBIDS IT, do those lots stay empty at night. That is why a typical Walmart has RV supplies in a section.
    When I had to make a cross country trip, I stayed overnight in the Taurus SW and had no problem when I bought the special US mapbook sold at Walmart that listed the free parking across our Nation.
    Hey, free security for Walmart!

    Think outside the box and do not let CHANGE stop you!

  29. LP = liquid petroleum. Tanks you see with many barbecues. Mine were slightly larger and they were not ” built in “, so you had to fill them up like a barbecue tank.

    Since the insides were very cozy ( you had to take down the table to sleep 4 people ) you heated everything behind the drivers seat. You dropped down a curtain or covered the windshield with a cloth for privacy. You changed clothes in the shower/toilet.

    The walls were insulated & the heater was mostly used in the mountains.

    Self Contained: Officially considered a residence. The basics that made any RV classified as fit for living in. A septic type system, heat, cooking, refrigerator, table and sleeping quarters gets those stickers next to the door. 110VAC installed to electrical code requirements is optional. Most campgrounds have the connections.

  30. @ the_punnisher

    “Think outside the box and do not let CHANGE stop you!”

    Thanks for pointing out the power of City Council and their influence on local Walmarts.

  31. Thank you Sgt. Jaeger for having the wisdom and compassion to say that you can see the concerns of homeowners but also see that homeless people need some place to be also. (Or am I quoting Lenny Siegel?)

    Mostly though, I thank him for recognizing that homeless people are stake holders and have to be part of the solution decisions. That’s extremely wise and extremely rare in the vision of most Santa Clara leaders in homeless affairs.

    Homeless people (I’m formerly homeless) also make contributions.

    There was a fire at Cubberley in 2011 in the early hours of the morning. In those days (before Jim Keene, Palo Alto City Manager) discovered that Cubberley was functioning as a “de facto” homeless shelter– like it was a BAD thing! Poor misguided Jim) homeless people camped there, in vehicles and on the ground and used the showers and bathrooms until the neighbors got all that shut down while complaining that the homeless had no sanitary facilities and shouldn’t be allowed to pollute the campus.

    Some people (white neighbors) claimed massive disgust and fear for their children and got rid of the homeless campers and then had this great public resource just for their own rich selves and once again the poor had to give up their rights to the whiter, richer parts of the community. Just like in the country as a whole.

    So anyway, back when we were permitted to camp at Cubberley, there was this early a.m. fire in the new library air conditioning machine that had recently been installed. A friend of mine, Andre Belton, used his cell phone to call the fire department. The lieutenant in charge of the fire scene estimated that Andre’s action– while most people ran away and didn’t want to get involved— saved the library $40 to $50,000 over letting the fire get discovered when people came to work or when neighbors woke to discover it.

    Plus, some homeless people I know clean up– much like the people described in this article– they clean up more than the area they camped in. Then you know what happens? Other car campers compete to do more of a clean up that the first guy. Even the City has been motivated by a friend’s clean up of the weeds at John Boulware Park in Palo Alto to come back with their big trucks and do a massive version of what he did with the weed whacker he purchased for the purpose.

    Anyway, thanks for this quite good article— although it contains lots of guess work about stuff that is known to people familiar with the world of the homeless and available to simple, straight forward research by those who aren’t familiar. Those guesswork theories are all quite susceptible to checking out. It’s called shoe leather journalism and used to be the rule in the world of journalism.

    And again, Sgt. Jaeger, thank you You will rise high in the police department. Your vision is rare and clear.

    Another unknown truth is that homeless people could actually save Santa Clara millions, if we were listened to.

    Please come to the Los Altos Library’s Orchard Room on Aug 29 from 7-9 p.m. to discuss and learn about housing issues, including Rent Control, what you can do if you are homeless or a more middle class person who is also being squeezed out and is fighting off being homeless. And most especially please come if you have issues with being hospitable to the least housed of our community. And REALLY REALLY come if you, like Lenny Siegel, have thought about it, are open to compassion, and want to know what’s working and what you can do.

    Chuck Jagoda, Homeless Advocate, Board Member of Heart and Home Collaborative Women’s Shelter, Stop the Ban, Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom.

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