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Council goes big on housing for Terra Bella

Original post made on Nov 15, 2018

Mountain View City Council members agreed Tuesday night that the industrial Terra Bella region of Mountain View is ripe for redevelopment into a dense neighborhood with the potential for thousands of homes.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, November 15, 2018, 10:57 AM

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Posted by Jeremy Hoffman
a resident of Rengstorff Park
on Nov 15, 2018 at 12:05 pm

Jeremy Hoffman is a registered user.

This is great! How exciting that we have the opportunity to offer great housing opportunities to so many Californians!

Glad to see Mountain View leading on our city and regional jobs-housing imbalance with a plan that "would boost the city's population by anywhere from 4,000 to 5,200 residents while also supporting about 500 new jobs."

In a time when millions of Californians are paying 33%, 50%, or more of their pay on rent, and thousands of Californians are losing their homes to fires, and climate change is making such fires more common, and the UN IPCC has given human civilization 12 years to remake our carbon pollution economy to avert the worst consequences of climate change, this is absolutely the right course of action.


Posted by Christina
a resident of Rengstorff Park
on Nov 15, 2018 at 3:38 pm

I see they want to make KMVT studios residential? Funny that KMVT covers all council meetings for the city but the city is willing to make them move to a new location.


Posted by Martin Omander
a resident of Rex Manor
on Nov 15, 2018 at 3:49 pm

I agree that this is a good place for additional housing. It's within easy biking distance of Microsoft, Google, Intuit and downtown Mountain View.


Posted by @Jeremy
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Nov 15, 2018 at 3:49 pm

Only when I read your third paragraph did I see that you weren't being sarcastic.


Posted by YIMBY
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2018 at 7:33 pm

@@Jeremy

There's a housing crisis that's crushing an entire generation under high rent and putting any form of property ownership completely out of reach. Cities that have built tons of jobs and attracted high demand need to build the necessary housing supply to offset that. Whatever reasons you may have to be against this, "character of the neighborhood" or whatever, pale in comparison to how awful it is to find and afford a place to live around here and the rest of the Bay Area. Be thankful for what you have and don't begrudge others for trying to offset the housing crisis.


Posted by Tamara Logan
a resident of another community
on Nov 15, 2018 at 7:36 pm

I don't even here the impact to schools mentioned. Impact fees do not cover the cost of new facilities for the children.


Posted by mvresident2003
a resident of Monta Loma
on Nov 15, 2018 at 7:38 pm

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schools, streets, traffic. THOUSANDS of new units and no plan for infrastructure. Insane.


Posted by YIMBY
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2018 at 9:12 pm

"How dare you build the housing we keep trying to block without building the other stuff that we keep blocking!"


Posted by Also YIMBY
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 16, 2018 at 7:26 am

This is awesome! Housing near employment and retail keeps people OFF the roads. Build out the bicycle infrastructure, plan for schools, build retail, preserve industrial uses. We can do this, it isn't rocket science but it does require careful planning.

You can turn your back and say NO NO NO, but then growth will happen in a haphazard and unplanned way - with all the negative consequences and none of the positive ones.

You wan walk or ride downtown from here. I would love to live in a densified, exciting Terra Bella.


Posted by William Hitchens
a resident of Waverly Park
on Nov 16, 2018 at 5:41 pm

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Better Terra Bella than any 'hoods south of Middlefield Rd!!! Keep the High Density Contagion N of Middlefield. Better yet??? Destroy the High Density Contagion in MV --- if not by election, then by civil lawsuits.


Posted by Living
a resident of Stierlin Estates
on Nov 17, 2018 at 12:02 am

So to all of you who live in other Mtn View neighborhoods, traffic on Shoreline gets backed up across the railroad tracks every day and Middlefield becomes the second Bayshore freeway every morning, car turning onto Shoreline are backed up for blocks. And if you think this is near shopping, think again. Yes there is the Safeway store on Shoreline and a couple of fast food places.
This was done by the old council that already approved hundreds of apartments along Middlefield with very limited parking on site. Guess what cars will not go away, you will not give up your car and neither will those renters. A traffic study showed that the so called car services create more traffic.
This city council really shows that is has no respect for homeowners in our neighborhood of Mtn View, it likes to dump everything on us.


Posted by Resident
a resident of Stierlin Estates
on Nov 17, 2018 at 6:54 pm

This is a dumb idea by some individuals who don’t understand redevelopment and planning at all. The worst idea possible. The city of Mountain View sucks because of you. We will now have to deal with crappy traffic, more air pollution and some next level BS all because of your greed. I hope you can sleep at night knowing you have screwed many of your residents with your BS.


Posted by YIMBY
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 17, 2018 at 7:07 pm

Everyone please give a moment of silence in respect for the plight of the Mountain View Home Owner. Because while everyone else is stuck in traffic driving to their jobs in Mountain View, paying obscene Bay Area rent, and will likely never have the financial security that comes with property ownership, the Mountain View Home Owner is faced with the worst problem of all: Changing Neighborhood Character.


Posted by Resident
a resident of Stierlin Estates
on Nov 17, 2018 at 7:56 pm

Hey YIMBY, all good. I know of your group. I’ll move out of the area and put my house on rent for an astronomical rate. How about them apples. You don’t care about the residents here or the pricing. You’re from out of town... a group that has no diversity. You’re in it for the money too, not for affordable housing.


Posted by YIMBY
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 17, 2018 at 8:09 pm

Born and raised in the Bay, actually. I don't care about residents who think their views and a suburban neighborhood character are more important than not crushing the millennial generation under astronomical housing costs. I support political change that results in high density housing getting built so added housing supply can push prices down and give my generation a chance at enjoying a portion of the financial security your generation has taken for granted. I'm "in it" for making affordable housing a moral priority.


Posted by Grumpy Minority
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Nov 17, 2018 at 8:22 pm

It's amazing to see someone say that people have "ruined the city" AND that they'll "move out and rent out their house at an astronomical rate" at the same time. Cognitive dissonance much?

It's nice of you to smugly talk about how you'll get rich off the backs of people just trying to have a place to live, really shows your community values, Stierlin resident.


Posted by @GM
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 17, 2018 at 8:29 pm

Hello Job,^^^^

What is the status of your case with the DA?
Going to plead guilty? Those pictures are you, no doubt about that.


Posted by Grumpy Minority
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Nov 17, 2018 at 8:30 pm

Sorry, buddy, my name ain't Job. What made you think that?


Posted by You’re unbelievable
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 17, 2018 at 11:12 pm

Web Link


Posted by Dawhat?
a resident of North Bayshore
on Nov 17, 2018 at 11:20 pm

YIMBYs=The ‘Alt-Right’ Darlings of the Real Estate Industry........


Posted by Grumpy Minority
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Nov 17, 2018 at 11:28 pm

Sure, the people who want there to be enough housing for everyone are "alt-right." There's really no low that you wealthy landowners won't stoop to in order to keep out undesirables. NIMBYs are far closer to the alt-right, wanting to Build The Wall and keep people out.


Posted by Interesting topic
a resident of Cuernavaca
on Nov 17, 2018 at 11:45 pm

Hey grumpy, Lol wow. Do you own? If anything, these developments will drive up the cost in neighborehoods. Mountain View is already a hot market. Once those houses the YIMBY group support are occupied, don’t you think the owners will increase the rents on those properties? How about what resident said renting out his property, that person will rent it out for a crazy rate. There’s no rent control. Eventually, in a few years, things will just go up like everything else in Bay Area.


Posted by YIMBY
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 17, 2018 at 11:49 pm

That's not how rent works. Rent is set by market forces. If you could rent at a higher rate and aren't already, then you're leaving money on the table for no reason. People have to be willing to pay what your rent is, and if it's too high compared to other units on the market then you'll have no renters.


Posted by Dawhat?
a resident of North Bayshore
on Nov 18, 2018 at 12:01 am

Grumpy minority is a closet YIMBY.


Posted by Grumpy Minority
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Nov 18, 2018 at 12:09 am

Dawhat is a closet alt-right member.


Posted by Living
a resident of Stierlin Estates
on Nov 18, 2018 at 12:14 am

Mtn View's infrastructure cannot support this type of development. You don't built thousands of new units in one small area of your town without thinking about new schools, water resources, roads (the traffic will not get less). People change jobs every few years, but don't move every time. And once you get married and have children you want a house with a back yard. By the way I don't see any parks in this plan. This area has right now only one very small park.


Posted by YIMBY
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 18, 2018 at 12:37 am

"And once you get married and have children you want a house with a back yard."

This talking point comes up every single time. How is someone supposed to afford the house with the backyard if they can't even afford a studio and putting all of their money towards rent? And I hope you're not advocating for building more single-family homes in Mountain View, because a newly married couple with children is not going to be able to afford that unless they're already very wealthy.


Posted by Darin
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 19, 2018 at 3:59 pm

@Living

I know plenty of local folks who are married and have children, but who don't live in the proverbial house with a back yard. As YIMBY points out, houses with a back yard are pretty expensive in this area.


Posted by Living
a resident of Stierlin Estates
on Nov 19, 2018 at 8:29 pm

To the last two comments, you sure don't know our neighborhood. We only have a small park, its called San Veron right next to Middlefield with all the exhaust from the bus and car traffic. And our council already approved the replacement of the lakes apartments with 3 times the units. That why we don't need this high density redevelopment.


Posted by YIMBY
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 20, 2018 at 12:25 am

The outrageous housing prices in Mountain View due to decades of blocked housing projects and underbuilding would suggest otherwise. Let me know when Millenials aren't packing themselves into single-family homes 7 at a time in order to afford a space to sleep.


Posted by Resident
a resident of Stierlin Estates
on Nov 27, 2018 at 10:36 pm

The housing plan is a failure. Mountain View needs to worry about infrastructure... fix that and the. Worry about housing


Posted by Grumpy Minority
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Nov 27, 2018 at 11:27 pm

Yes, Resident of Stierlin Estates. Who cares about making sure there are enough houses for people. We need more "infrastructure" first, let the people living on the streets wait.


Posted by Speak to them
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 28, 2018 at 7:17 am

I talk to the RVers frequently along Shoreline blvd and behind Nob Hill.I've asked some what their magic number is for rent that would get them out of their RVs. The answers vary from "Why should I pay anything when I can live here for free" to "It would have to be less than $500 per month." Interestingly 4 different RV guys used that same figure of not tolerating rents over 500 per month to get them out of their RV.

I don't see how simply building more housing gets anything done for the RV crowd unless the rents become slum level.


Posted by Grumpy Minority
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 28, 2018 at 9:37 am

I work with RV dwellers every week, helping the needy. Over and over again, they insist they want a normal life with a roof over their head and wish we had enough affordable housing here. On the other hand, we have your anonymous posting about how they love living in a vehicle. Who to believe?

What planet are you from where sub-$500 rents are "slum-level"? How high should rents be for you to be satisfied?


Posted by Speak to them
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 28, 2018 at 10:04 am

Well, you can imagine anything you want to. I'm not here to argue.

Mandated sub 500.00 rents would be interesting to see here in MV. So would a rainbow unicorn. My money is on the unicorn making an appearance before sub 500.00 rents are avail in this town. Other town, yes, but not among the most hotly sought after real estate in the nation, or in the world for that matter.
Reality is not always the way people want things to be, but it always wins out in the end.


Posted by Grumpy Minority
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 28, 2018 at 11:00 am

Who said anything about mandating it? Why are sub-$500 rents "slum-level"? If we had enough homes for people, rents would be lower, and that involves building.


Posted by Speak to them
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 28, 2018 at 1:28 pm

@Resident, what sort of infrastructure projects do you think are needed? Not sure we need more bridges or roads but it would be VERY nice to underground the power lines in many of the older neighborhoods.


Posted by Resident
a resident of Stierlin Estates
on Nov 28, 2018 at 1:40 pm

Hey grumpy minority,
RV folks don’t give _ _ _ _ About housing. They go from one place to the next. Every one of them that I spoke to don’t care. And you’re offering them housing? The Bay Area has a homeless problem as well, but all YOU care about is your self. You’re like yimby... build build build. Oh and YIMBY, you slammed my post about traffic conditions a few weeks back. More traffic and poor infrastructure don’t work. With roadways clogged like arteries, people are gonna take short cuts through neighborhoods. I would hate to see an animal or a kid get tagged by a car. Keep that in mind


Posted by Grumpy Minority
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 28, 2018 at 1:49 pm

My oh my, you folks really are grumpy. Like I said, I work with them weekly, helping the needy. Why you say I only care about myself is baffling, frankly. They're just like you and me, they're here for jobs, but unlike us, they can't afford a real home to live in.

I'm sure you'll get smug again and talk about how you're going to move out and profit off the misery of others, because you got yours, who cares about anyone else. It's great to see you show your true colors.


Posted by Speak to them
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Nov 28, 2018 at 1:57 pm

I agree Resident, more outside the box thinking wrt traffic and how to reduce the number of cars clogging the roads would be a benefit to all.


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